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I think we can be friendly
with each other, like each other,
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but we can't live together
nor communicate with us.
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This should be over by now, you know?
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What can we do? You know.
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Probably anyone else
I would be happy to have what we have.
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NEW YORK - MARCH 18, 2002
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ROCK and ROLL HALL OF FAME
ENTRY CEREMONY
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The Ramones really invented
a whole new genre.
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The music wouldn't be the same
if it weren't for the Ramones.
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I thought the Ramones
They should have been like the Stones.
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I mean
that they influenced a lot.
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Everything you hear today
in car commercials,
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in TV commercials,
It's the Ramones' guitars.
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This song saved rock'n'roll
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and influenced millions of kids
all over the world.
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And they were never recognized.
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Something quite unusual
is happening here today:
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This industry is paying
a tribute to the Ramones.
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Then, with the power invested in me,
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I would like to welcome the Ramones.
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Believe it or not,
we really love each other,
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even when we weren't
being kind to each other.
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We were real brothers.
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The honor of being inducted into the Hall of Fame
means a lot to us,
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but it really meant everything to Joey.
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Thank you very much.
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"We were genuine. We were unique.
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"We were four unique individuals.
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"There was chemistry.
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"There was a strong chemical imbalance.
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"Opposites attract, all that nonsense."
-Joey Ramone
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- It's here.
- How do you feel coming back here?
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- Don't you really feel anything?
- No.
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This place kind of lost
the thing I had for him.
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It doesn't even look like where I came from.
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This is where we used to stay.
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Didn't know? It looks like it's closed.
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With barbed wire there.
It means times have changed.
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Tommy was great. He was very important.
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He convinced us, Dee and me,
to form a band.
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He kept bothering me and Dee Dee
for a year to form a band.
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We told him it was crazy
and that we shouldn't do that.
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In our adolescence,
We all lived in Forest Hills.
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There were many hills.
Forest Hills really does have a lot of hills,
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and Queens Boulevard
It's too wide to cross without...
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Many people are run over there.
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All the kids there were using LSD,
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marijuana and, you know,
were more sophisticated,
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like young university students.
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I don't think John, me and Tommy
We didn't fit in at all.
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I think we were all excluded.
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On the one hand, perhaps lonely,
or more than that, you know?
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How did you meet these guys?
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They all said:
"I heard you like the Stooges."
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Something like that, you know.
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I said, "Yes, I like them."
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Maybe only three people liked it
of the Stooges throughout the area.
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And the rest
were radically against them.
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So, if you liked the Stooges,
they had to be friends.
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We had a friend, Richie Stern.
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He was the leader of the Stooges fan club.
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Through him, we stayed together,
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we sniffed glue, we smoked marijuana
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and we listened to our...
We had a tape of the Stooges live
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that we always played, you know.
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It was part of our meetings.
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Listen to Iggy and watch Richie
sing a little like Iggy for us.
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During the summer months,
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We stayed in the Forest Hills area,
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and there was a special place
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which was called Thorneycroft.
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It was a condominium that had a patio.
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As a child, I lived in the neighborhood
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and I met Johnny when I was very little.
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I bought it from him
my first firecrackers.
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He had a personality
a little volatile.
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He was nice to me. With the others
people, it might not have been so cool.
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I saw him throw a punch
in the face of a boy's father.
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Because my window was right here,
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I was looking down, he got involved
in a fight, it must have started with the boy.
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The boy's father came to the courtyard
and he punched him in the nose.
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He punched his father in the nose.
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But, you know, things like that happen
when we are with friends.
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I was bad.
It was bad every minute of the day,
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the time you woke up
until bedtime.
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- Really?
- Yes.
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Everything I could think of doing, I did.
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Really? Stole, things like that?
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Yes.
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And I don't want my mother to watch this.
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John left for college a week
before me because he went to Florida.
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So he's going to Florida, right?
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So we did
a farewell party for him.
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The following week, I left my house,
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was walking towards Thorneycroft,
and there was John.
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I said, "What are you doing here?"
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He said, "I didn't like it."
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Between 18 and 20 years old is a difficult period,
because we have to decide what to do with our lives.
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I was some kind of delinquent
at that time.
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Did the Ramones save him from those things?
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No. I dropped these things
when I was 20 years old.
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I was walking around the neighborhood one day
and it just came to me.
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It was like a voice saying:
"What are you doing?
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"Is that why God put us here?"
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I went home and stopped everything.
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I planned the rest of my...
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What was I going to do with myself?
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What was right to do, what wasn't.
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I simply changed,
in a matter of a minute.
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"It wasn't such a bad childhood,
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"but it was the broken home syndrome -
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"I had three different fathers.
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"I spent a lot of time alone."
-Joey Ramone
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I didn't know Joey well.
He was kind of quiet.
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He was kind of isolated and shy,
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and realized he wasn't
like the other boys.
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He was lonely.
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Joey, I don't know, it was difficult.
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He used to drop
brother's records on the heater,
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things like that,
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I didn't put them back on the cover,
and they ended up melting.
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He stole everyone's marijuana,
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I think.
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We were walking down the street at night,
and Jeff was very tall.
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I looked up at..."Jeff'.
So, you know?
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"What's up?" He'd say, "Yeah, what's up, man?"
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That was Jeff. To me, he was weird.
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He was... But he was cool.
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I had my head on straight.
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He was funny,
but I had my head on straight.
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In childhood, the predictions for him
They weren't good.
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The teachers said, "He has
Eye problem, not reading well."
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He was a slow student,
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but they didn't think
in his fundamental intelligence.
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He was highly intelligent
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and very creative.
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They didn't even look at that side of him.
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Joey, when he was about 18 years old,
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He decided to admit himself to St. Vincent's,
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because I was suffering a lot
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with a disorder called OCD -
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Obsessive-Compulsive Disorder.
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He heard voices
that forced him to repeat things.
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I took him to a specialist.
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They said he was compulsive.
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And they simply said to my mother
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that he had an emotional disorder
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which would probably leave him unable
to carry out any activity in society
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for the rest of your life.
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We were all worried
with what would become of him.
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Music was my salvation
and has been to this day.
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For me, it's something very special.
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I remember
when I was very unhappy or depressed
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and put on a pleasant and calm record,
like the Stooges,
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- because it was like an exorcism.
- Powerful, yes.
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It was a total liberation, you know?
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I saw my brother on stage
with his band, Sniper.
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He had never sung in a band.
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He was already introducing himself
when I arrived. I saw him up there
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and I saw a guy
that had undergone a transformation
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that I had never seen,
except in movies, like...
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I think the closest comparison
It's with Jerry Lewis, in "The Nutty Professor".
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But so aggressive,
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that I couldn't believe
that it was the same person.
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He was singing, he was roaring.
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I was very happy for him,
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for seeing his courage to go up there
and do something like that.
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But I could tell he was
finally finding your niche.
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A week later,
they kicked him out of the band
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because it wasn't pretty.
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Johnny didn't like his brother.
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He didn't get along with my brother
I didn't even want to meet him
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because my brother was kinda...
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I don't mean weird.
We were all weird.
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But he was more of a weird hippie, I guess,
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and John, although he wasn't...
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He tried to introduce himself
as a right-wing conservative,
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but he was also a great defender
by Charles Manson.
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All these guys were into the glitter scene.
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John was wearing satin pants
and chinchilla fur coat.
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I think that's where John
and my brother found the connection.
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Me and John were going to see the Stooges
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and we all stand at the same time
fascinated with MC5 and Alice Cooper.
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There were girls involved with you
at this time?
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Never. No.
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The girls in Forest Hills get out of there
to find a man somewhere else,
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East Village or something like that.
They wouldn't want someone...
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It wasn't cool being from Queens.
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Would you lie about it
if I went to Manhattan.
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You would say:
"I have an apartment in the city."
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And then he would return to his mother's house.
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So it was just the boys together?
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Joey, I, you know, and...
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John, me and Richie Stern.
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With platform shoes
and taking care of your hair for two hours.
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That was all. We only had conditions
to do this to get to Tommy's car.
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This was the closest thing to a production
that everyone could do.
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There was nowhere to go after that.
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Then there came to be,
when the Dolls started playing.
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When I say I'm in love,
You better believe I'm in love.
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His shows were of the evening type
very busy
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in which everyone attends.
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It was very decadent, but it was great.
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Great songs, great energy.
Very frenetic stage movements.
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I couldn't believe what I was
seeing. It was the best thing in the world.
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In a way, there was no
who could compete with them.
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I went because the music
it was simply incredible.
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The clothes, the equipment, the weird things.
It was great.
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And then we made the long journey back
to Queens.
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It was hard.
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I saw where musicality
was going at that time.
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The drug era came to rock'n'roll.
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So everyone was being very
condescending to his playing.
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The long solos. We never found
that we could play like that.
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Even if he had talent,
it would take 15 years of practice.
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I went to see the New York Dolls play.
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I was watching bands
like rock and roll should be.
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How they managed to have a great sound
and be great
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with limited musicalism.
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Then finally John calls me one day
and says, "I bought a guitar."
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He said, "I'm talking
with Dee Dee. "
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I said:
"Maybe we can start a band."
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I had just left another band,
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and Dee Dee liked my style.
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So he told John
who wanted me in the band.
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The two people we knew,
Joey was going to play the drums,
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Me and Dee Dee were playing guitar.
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Tommy was our advisor.
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Tommy said:
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"Dee Dee must be the bass player,
You play guitar..."
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Dee Dee was going to sing, but he couldn't sing
and play at the same time.
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When he was singing, he didn't play.
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When he was playing, he didn't sing.
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Then Joey sang.
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Amazing! He had a great voice.
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Tommy really forced the issue on Joey,
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especially as a vocalist.
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He wasn't my idea of a vocalist,
but Tommy said:
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"He'll be fine between you and Dee Dee."
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When we decided
that Joey would be the vocalist,
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we needed a drummer.
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We test drummers,
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and one day, no one showed up
to be tested,
244
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Tommy sat at the drums,
and we convinced him...
245
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The sound was great with Tommy,
and he stayed in the band.
246
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At first, I was...
I had never played the drums before.
247
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So I took a little time
248
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to be able to do that,
249
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that fit with their sound,
250
00:15:54,768 --> 00:15:57,100
because they themselves were learning.
251
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As soon as I started playing drums,
The band's entire sound changed.
252
00:16:00,842 --> 00:16:03,937
It began to solidify,
to become the Ramones.
253
00:16:04,480 --> 00:16:07,245
Dee Dee was using the last name
Dee Dee Ramone.
254
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Ramone,
the way we were using it,
255
00:16:12,190 --> 00:16:14,488
it was to create a sense of unity.
256
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A bond between heterogeneous people.
257
00:16:18,732 --> 00:16:20,700
Joey's mom had an art gallery.
258
00:16:20,767 --> 00:16:23,635
We were there after it had already closed
259
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rehearsing some of our songs.
260
00:16:26,942 --> 00:16:30,379
Dee Dee and Joey were playing
"Judy Is A Punk".
261
00:16:30,447 --> 00:16:32,712
It was the first time I heard "Judy Is A Punk".
262
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I had never heard anything like this.
It was something futuristic.
263
00:16:44,999 --> 00:16:47,798
I asked, "What is this?
What letter is that?
264
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"What melody is that?
What crazy harmony is that?"
265
00:16:51,507 --> 00:16:54,841
Then, everything solidifies,
I listen and think:
266
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"That's fantastic."
267
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From then on, I became very serious,
268
00:17:00,586 --> 00:17:02,713
because it wasn't just a glitter rock band,
269
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like 50 other bands
of glitter rock in New York,
270
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it was something fantastic.
271
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New from K-Tel Records, 22 hits.
272
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22 creative stars.
273
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Gallery.
274
00:17:17,308 --> 00:17:20,301
In the early 70s,
there was a monotony.
275
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The spirit of rock'n'roll
It was kind of gone.
276
00:17:26,720 --> 00:17:30,953
At that time and in that culture,
Donny and Marie were on TV.
277
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Everyone was great. Everything simply
it seemed very mediocre and boring.
278
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It was simply horrible.
Everything was very accurate.
279
00:17:40,404 --> 00:17:44,501
Everything was calm.
Everything was out of color, you know?
280
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It was cereal, and we didn't like it.
281
00:17:48,648 --> 00:17:50,445
And you couldn't get laid
282
00:17:50,551 --> 00:17:53,019
unless it was spiritually correct
283
00:17:53,087 --> 00:17:57,321
or have a chat about macram�.
284
00:17:57,393 --> 00:18:00,989
I don't know what we should do,
but I couldn't, you know?
285
00:18:01,064 --> 00:18:04,523
It was the end of the "white flight" in New York.
286
00:18:04,602 --> 00:18:08,095
Since World War II, people
were moving away from cities
287
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for these new things
called suburbs.
288
00:18:10,442 --> 00:18:13,879
People were leaving New York,
and it was becoming deserted.
289
00:18:13,947 --> 00:18:17,817
And there was a feeling
that the parents were gone
290
00:18:17,886 --> 00:18:20,684
and you could assume the situation
and do whatever you wanted.
291
00:18:20,756 --> 00:18:23,123
In the early 70s,
New York was empty.
292
00:18:23,226 --> 00:18:25,195
There were no night clubs.
293
00:18:25,296 --> 00:18:29,165
The reason we play at CBGB
It's because there was no place to play.
294
00:18:29,234 --> 00:18:32,136
We saw a minimal ad in the Voice newspaper.
295
00:18:32,204 --> 00:18:34,172
Television was playing there.
296
00:18:37,444 --> 00:18:39,845
We saw a lot of good shows there.
297
00:18:39,914 --> 00:18:41,883
I loved Television.
298
00:18:44,186 --> 00:18:47,486
This was CBGB for me:
A few lonely nights
299
00:18:47,557 --> 00:18:50,652
with ten people there and Television playing.
300
00:18:54,833 --> 00:18:58,167
Tom Verlaine singing
the song "Venus de Milo".
301
00:18:58,872 --> 00:19:00,863
It was great, you know.
302
00:19:08,551 --> 00:19:10,713
The first time I walked into CBGB,
303
00:19:10,787 --> 00:19:13,416
there was sawdust all over the floor
304
00:19:13,491 --> 00:19:17,019
and piles of dog poop everywhere.
305
00:19:17,096 --> 00:19:19,292
It was like walking through a minefield.
306
00:19:19,366 --> 00:19:23,133
We auditioned for Hilly Kristal,
and he said:
307
00:19:24,205 --> 00:19:27,073
"No one will like you,
but I'm going to put them on stage."
308
00:19:27,142 --> 00:19:28,837
We entered CBGB.
309
00:19:28,910 --> 00:19:30,811
It was literally a bar.
310
00:19:30,913 --> 00:19:34,247
There were drunks
at the bar counting coins
311
00:19:34,318 --> 00:19:36,787
to buy a drink.
312
00:19:36,888 --> 00:19:40,552
There were about ten people sitting
at the tables.
313
00:19:40,626 --> 00:19:42,560
At that moment,
the Ramones appeared
314
00:19:42,628 --> 00:19:45,223
and went on stage
315
00:19:45,298 --> 00:19:47,460
wearing black leather jacket.
316
00:19:47,535 --> 00:19:49,332
They counted to start the song
317
00:19:49,404 --> 00:19:52,738
and they started playing different songs.
318
00:19:54,444 --> 00:19:56,913
And it was noisy.
319
00:19:56,981 --> 00:20:00,611
They threw their guitars on the floor
in outrage and left the stage.
320
00:20:00,852 --> 00:20:04,812
They looked so...
It looked like the SS had just arrived.
321
00:20:04,891 --> 00:20:07,019
They attracted a lot of attention.
322
00:20:07,127 --> 00:20:09,152
These guys weren't hippies.
323
00:20:09,263 --> 00:20:11,061
This was something completely new,
324
00:20:11,132 --> 00:20:14,034
and the noise took everyone by storm.
325
00:20:14,703 --> 00:20:17,070
Then ten minutes later they came back,
326
00:20:17,140 --> 00:20:18,937
Dee Dee counted: 1-2-3-4
327
00:20:19,009 --> 00:20:21,001
and started playing "Blitzkrieg Bop".
328
00:20:45,410 --> 00:20:47,207
HEY. HO.
LET'S GO.
329
00:21:02,866 --> 00:21:06,064
They just played songs
very quick and short,
330
00:21:06,136 --> 00:21:09,937
and it was very funny,
but they did it very seriously.
331
00:21:10,041 --> 00:21:12,476
They weren't trying to be funny.
332
00:21:12,545 --> 00:21:18,645
They were doing it seriously;
it was almost like conceptual art,
333
00:21:18,720 --> 00:21:22,817
which was so brilliant that you couldn't
believe that it could exist.
334
00:21:23,659 --> 00:21:25,992
It made you smile,
335
00:21:26,062 --> 00:21:28,189
every time you tried to close your mouth.
336
00:21:28,265 --> 00:21:30,359
Because, in the beginning, it was like this...
337
00:21:40,347 --> 00:21:43,943
The first person who came to talk to us
it was Alan Vega, from Suicide.
338
00:21:45,020 --> 00:21:48,719
He said, "You guys are great.
That's what I was waiting for."
339
00:21:48,825 --> 00:21:51,055
And I thought, "This guy is crazy."
340
00:21:51,828 --> 00:21:53,626
First faith.
341
00:21:57,403 --> 00:21:59,736
I watched them laughing,
342
00:21:59,806 --> 00:22:03,504
because I was a more serious musician,
343
00:22:03,611 --> 00:22:06,046
coming from the different groups I passed through.
344
00:22:06,081 --> 00:22:09,449
Watch the Ramones
It was like a joke, really.
345
00:22:27,742 --> 00:22:31,338
I remember they had a problem
at the sound, Dee Dee became irritated,
346
00:22:31,413 --> 00:22:33,974
He picked up his bass and threw it on the floor.
347
00:22:34,050 --> 00:22:36,781
I think they left the stage
and then they came back.
348
00:22:36,854 --> 00:22:38,481
And that was exciting too.
349
00:22:38,556 --> 00:22:44,121
I had never seen anyone
such spontaneous anger as that.
350
00:22:44,197 --> 00:22:47,361
And that's what left me
a little afraid of them.
351
00:22:49,770 --> 00:22:53,674
The famous thing about the Ramones
It's just that they always stopped, started,
352
00:22:53,743 --> 00:22:57,771
they had discussions on stage,
which I always thought was very endearing.
353
00:23:00,150 --> 00:23:03,849
Tommy: Wait, stop it,
Let's play "Loudmouth", okay?
354
00:23:03,956 --> 00:23:05,924
Johnny: Damn. Damn.
355
00:23:06,625 --> 00:23:08,992
Dee Dee: I want to play too
"I Don't Wanna Go Down To The Basement".
356
00:23:09,062 --> 00:23:11,293
Johnny: Yes... It's two against one.
357
00:23:11,365 --> 00:23:13,800
Dee Dee: I really do.
358
00:23:13,869 --> 00:23:15,837
Tommy: Fuck you.
359
00:23:25,183 --> 00:23:28,347
You wouldn't go to a bar
and saw a genuine band.
360
00:23:28,454 --> 00:23:31,390
You went to a stadium
to see a great band.
361
00:23:31,892 --> 00:23:34,760
When I went to a bar,
the bands played cover music.
362
00:23:36,097 --> 00:23:40,501
So, seeing guys who composed
their own music, which were authentic,
363
00:23:40,569 --> 00:23:44,267
they wore leather jackets,
that was wonderful.
364
00:23:44,340 --> 00:23:46,468
I thought, "Oh my God, this is it."
365
00:23:46,544 --> 00:23:48,775
HEY DADDY
366
00:23:48,847 --> 00:23:50,712
I DON'T WANT TO GO
367
00:23:50,782 --> 00:23:54,310
TO THE BASEMENT
368
00:23:54,387 --> 00:23:56,982
THERE IS SOMETHING UNDER THERE
369
00:23:57,091 --> 00:23:59,720
I DON'T WANT TO GO
370
00:23:59,828 --> 00:24:02,559
HEY ROMEO
371
00:24:02,665 --> 00:24:04,964
THERE IS SOMETHING UNDER THERE
372
00:24:05,001 --> 00:24:06,901
I DON'T WANT TO GO
373
00:24:06,970 --> 00:24:09,201
TO THE BASEMENT
374
00:24:14,279 --> 00:24:16,840
Initially,
CBGB was for about 100 people.
375
00:24:16,916 --> 00:24:20,648
There were four of the Ramones,
and Blondie were five.
376
00:24:20,721 --> 00:24:24,021
Do the math, as they say,
and there were a few more bands.
377
00:24:24,092 --> 00:24:25,822
That was who was there.
378
00:24:25,895 --> 00:24:29,263
Everyone was outside the club
and it was...
379
00:24:29,366 --> 00:24:33,394
There was, I think, like a kind
of good camaraderie at a certain level.
380
00:24:33,505 --> 00:24:37,465
CBGB, I remember the first bands there.
381
00:24:37,576 --> 00:24:40,546
The competition between the bands
it was becoming a nightmare.
382
00:24:41,314 --> 00:24:44,716
With the Mumps, Mink DeVille
and the Marbles,
383
00:24:44,786 --> 00:24:48,951
all these stupid bands thought
who were big stars,
384
00:24:49,024 --> 00:24:51,391
but they weren't.
The Ramones were the stars.
385
00:24:52,897 --> 00:24:56,026
We were so haughty and smug
386
00:24:56,101 --> 00:24:59,697
that we irritated everyone else.
387
00:24:59,772 --> 00:25:01,933
We are the Ramones
and you talk too much, my dear.
388
00:25:02,041 --> 00:25:04,135
You better shut up.
389
00:25:11,387 --> 00:25:14,289
They had a well-defined conception.
390
00:25:14,357 --> 00:25:16,553
They were very organized.
391
00:25:16,627 --> 00:25:18,686
Yes, they were like the armed forces.
392
00:25:18,763 --> 00:25:23,634
They really had a very clear vision,
and she was very firm.
393
00:25:37,855 --> 00:25:42,793
After the failure of the New York Dolls
to be commercially successful,
394
00:25:42,861 --> 00:25:47,357
it was like a black cloud over New York;
no one was going to sign a contract in New York,
395
00:25:47,434 --> 00:25:52,099
and more people started going to CBGB,
There were plenty of artists.
396
00:25:52,173 --> 00:25:55,632
The Talking Heads
they were doing something totally different.
397
00:25:55,711 --> 00:25:57,907
I didn't see Television as a competitor,
398
00:25:57,981 --> 00:26:00,712
the Heartbreakers were a bunch of junkies.
399
00:26:00,784 --> 00:26:04,448
So I knew
that their career would be short.
400
00:26:05,056 --> 00:26:08,618
There in the summer of 75,
a rock festival took place at CBGB.
401
00:26:08,694 --> 00:26:13,428
It was a big thing at the time.
Rolling Stone was covering the event.
402
00:26:13,533 --> 00:26:17,231
A one-page article,
and three quarters were about the Ramones.
403
00:26:17,305 --> 00:26:20,639
At that time, our shows were packed,
since it was a Rolling Stone thing.
404
00:26:20,709 --> 00:26:23,804
I recorded the Ramones live once,
405
00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:26,907
mainly at CBGB,
but it was too early
406
00:26:26,984 --> 00:26:30,148
and it was so full
that it couldn't be done anymore.
407
00:26:38,033 --> 00:26:42,300
I don't want to go out with you.
408
00:26:44,942 --> 00:26:47,001
So why do you want to go out with me?
409
00:26:47,945 --> 00:26:51,177
Around 550 people per night,
three nights in a row.
410
00:26:51,249 --> 00:26:53,241
We have increased the entry fee.
411
00:26:53,352 --> 00:26:57,449
We were the first to increase
for $2, $3, $4 and $5.
412
00:26:57,524 --> 00:27:01,986
We always wanted to have
maximum control, take it away from Hilly.
413
00:27:02,064 --> 00:27:04,328
Hilly Kristal
Owner of CBGB
414
00:27:04,399 --> 00:27:08,097
We wanted someone at the door,
We didn't want to be deceived by them.
415
00:27:08,171 --> 00:27:11,107
It had already become a business at that point.
416
00:27:11,175 --> 00:27:14,339
We have built a large audience,
we continue to send out invitations,
417
00:27:14,412 --> 00:27:18,179
trying to get Danny Fields to show up there,
because we thought it was his thing.
418
00:27:18,284 --> 00:27:22,655
He worked for the Doors,
worked for the Stooges
419
00:27:22,724 --> 00:27:24,351
and worked for the MC5.
420
00:27:24,425 --> 00:27:28,624
So, we think that with these credentials,
If anyone was going to see what we were doing,
421
00:27:28,697 --> 00:27:30,666
that someone was Danny.
422
00:27:30,734 --> 00:27:32,965
Danny Fields ended up showing up.
423
00:27:33,037 --> 00:27:35,939
I don't think he wanted to go
424
00:27:36,008 --> 00:27:39,136
because he thought we were
a Spanish band, something similar,
425
00:27:39,211 --> 00:27:42,545
like a flamenco group, something like that.
426
00:27:43,417 --> 00:27:45,612
I went to see them the next time they played.
427
00:27:45,686 --> 00:27:49,556
It was like this: "That's just it.
428
00:27:49,625 --> 00:27:53,153
"Guitar solos,
the songs are very fast,
429
00:27:53,263 --> 00:27:57,496
"they are all attractive, they have a great
Look, I love what you're wearing. "
430
00:27:57,568 --> 00:27:59,799
I said, "I want to be your manager."
431
00:27:59,872 --> 00:28:05,436
They said, "Oh, well, we need
of a few thousand dollars for a battery.
432
00:28:05,545 --> 00:28:08,447
"If you go in with this,
You can be our manager."
433
00:28:10,419 --> 00:28:12,046
"Okay."
434
00:28:12,120 --> 00:28:14,919
He knew some people,
435
00:28:14,991 --> 00:28:17,984
some nice people,
no one who could help our career,
436
00:28:18,062 --> 00:28:20,497
but the people
who hung out with Andy Warhol.
437
00:28:20,565 --> 00:28:24,627
So they started coming to see us,
it was like a bunch of crazy people.
438
00:28:24,737 --> 00:28:27,502
I wasn't very sociable or kind.
439
00:28:28,708 --> 00:28:32,805
I appeared as a hostile and unpleasant guy,
which they accepted well.
440
00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:35,281
They probably wanted insults, right?
441
00:28:36,151 --> 00:28:39,713
This was my priority:
Get a contract, like Patti.
442
00:28:39,789 --> 00:28:41,417
That was the first thing.
443
00:28:41,492 --> 00:28:44,951
We were playing in the Mothers.
This was later in 75.
444
00:28:45,030 --> 00:28:47,932
So Craig Leon takes Linda Stein.
445
00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:52,131
I think that ended up leading
Seymour Stein coming to see us.
446
00:28:52,206 --> 00:28:55,904
Danny organized a rehearsal
at SIR stadiums.
447
00:28:55,977 --> 00:29:00,381
They introduced themselves,
It must have taken about 15 minutes, and that was enough.
448
00:29:00,449 --> 00:29:02,384
Seymour hired them.
449
00:29:02,452 --> 00:29:05,183
Ramones have a Project
Fast Disk Travel
450
00:29:25,582 --> 00:29:28,211
Heard it in the Ramones
451
00:29:28,286 --> 00:29:32,986
What do I look for first in any artist?
who are you going to hire...
452
00:29:33,092 --> 00:29:34,423
President, Sire Records
453
00:29:34,493 --> 00:29:36,587
...which are the great songs,
454
00:29:36,696 --> 00:29:39,530
because, for me,
that's the most important thing.
455
00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:44,595
In the Ramones, we all had
a dark sense of humor,
456
00:29:44,673 --> 00:29:47,438
dark... a dark thing, you know.
457
00:29:47,510 --> 00:29:49,035
I'm a Nazi darling
458
00:29:49,113 --> 00:29:51,308
And I fight for my homeland
459
00:29:53,185 --> 00:29:56,644
On the first album,
Seymour showed up for the recordings:
460
00:29:56,722 --> 00:30:02,629
"Please don't sing 'I'm a Nazi' in
'Today Your Love, Tomorrow The World'."
461
00:30:02,697 --> 00:30:04,892
I said, "What's the big deal?"
462
00:30:04,999 --> 00:30:10,200
And he: "Come on, boys, please,
for me, exchange it for something else."
463
00:30:11,241 --> 00:30:15,542
Us: "We are committing
by not singing 'I'm a Nazi'."
464
00:30:21,154 --> 00:30:25,387
"I Don't Wanna Walk Around With You"
It's a love song.
465
00:30:25,459 --> 00:30:28,987
Dee Dee composed it
about his girlfriend at the time.
466
00:30:29,064 --> 00:30:32,968
We don't try to be crazy, we don't try
compose things that were offensive.
467
00:30:33,036 --> 00:30:37,804
It was all natural,
We were trying to be normal, so...
468
00:30:37,909 --> 00:30:40,435
Were they trying to be normal and failing?
469
00:30:44,284 --> 00:30:49,848
The Ramones - Mutant Seeds
Punk Rock
470
00:30:49,925 --> 00:30:52,985
This is crap of the worst quality.
471
00:30:53,061 --> 00:30:55,860
New peak reached in recording levels.
472
00:30:55,932 --> 00:30:58,458
"Ramones" seems
a greatest hits album.
473
00:30:58,535 --> 00:31:02,028
Ramones appeal to morbidity
474
00:31:02,107 --> 00:31:05,839
Like many people, when we put
to play for the first time, we laughed,
475
00:31:05,911 --> 00:31:09,473
we look at each other
and we couldn't stop looking at the cover.
476
00:31:09,583 --> 00:31:12,553
And that's all we could hear.
477
00:31:13,421 --> 00:31:17,951
Instantly became half
from our obsolete record collection.
478
00:31:18,061 --> 00:31:21,896
Our music is only part
of what the Ramones are.
479
00:31:21,966 --> 00:31:27,406
It's partly music, but there's a lot of life in it.
480
00:31:27,473 --> 00:31:31,342
They were, in a way,
as real as reality could be.
481
00:31:31,412 --> 00:31:36,112
You could be passing by
on the corner of 53rd and 3rd.
482
00:31:36,184 --> 00:31:38,653
And see Dee Dee Ramone picking up clients.
483
00:31:38,721 --> 00:31:44,319
53rd and 3rd. In New York
it was a very famous prostitution corner,
484
00:31:44,429 --> 00:31:47,728
where, if you wanted
pick up a prostitute,
485
00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:51,099
it was just a car ride away
that they would all be standing on the sidewalk.
486
00:31:51,171 --> 00:31:53,605
Dee Dee wrote a song
about picking up clients there.
487
00:31:53,673 --> 00:31:57,166
We would like to wish
happy birthday to Seymour Stein
488
00:31:57,244 --> 00:31:59,839
and we would like to dedicate this show to him.
489
00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:13,398
In the song, he laments being the only one
that is never chosen.
490
00:32:13,466 --> 00:32:17,130
When a guy finally chooses you,
he has to kill him,
491
00:32:17,237 --> 00:32:19,672
proving that he is not in fact homosexual.
492
00:32:19,741 --> 00:32:23,269
53 with 3rd. Standing on the sidewalk.
493
00:32:23,379 --> 00:32:26,611
53 with 3rd.
I'm trying to get a client.
494
00:32:26,683 --> 00:32:30,051
53 with 3rd. You are the one
that they never choose.
495
00:32:30,121 --> 00:32:33,888
53 with 3rd. Doesn't that make you feel bad?
496
00:32:33,959 --> 00:32:37,123
So I picked up my razor.
497
00:32:37,196 --> 00:32:40,724
And I did what God prohibited.
498
00:32:40,801 --> 00:32:43,965
Now the police are after me.
499
00:32:44,038 --> 00:32:47,668
But I proved that I'm not queer.
500
00:32:47,743 --> 00:32:51,180
I think, in the beginning,
he became a prostitute because of drugs,
501
00:32:51,281 --> 00:32:53,273
to buy heroin.
502
00:32:53,384 --> 00:32:58,288
I think that, afterwards, he just slept with everyone
because everyone wanted to sleep with him.
503
00:32:58,357 --> 00:33:03,991
Dee Dee, you know, "53rd And 3rd."
What is the truth behind "53 And 3rd"?
504
00:33:04,064 --> 00:33:06,033
There are many rumors.
505
00:33:06,101 --> 00:33:08,831
I would rather leave that aside.
506
00:33:08,904 --> 00:33:14,469
These rumors,
no one is being fair to me,
507
00:33:14,545 --> 00:33:17,140
like saying what is real and what is fantasy.
508
00:33:17,215 --> 00:33:19,479
Everyone always escalates things.
509
00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:25,483
People try to introduce me
as if I were a vulgar character.
510
00:33:25,592 --> 00:33:27,561
I was just a bass player.
511
00:33:27,628 --> 00:33:30,029
They should look at themselves.
512
00:33:32,501 --> 00:33:36,233
Wayne County was the DJ
from Max's Kansas City.
513
00:33:36,306 --> 00:33:39,606
He had just bought
a copy of the first album.
514
00:33:39,677 --> 00:33:42,670
I had never heard anything like this before.
515
00:33:42,747 --> 00:33:47,277
I was ecstatic,
It was something I had never heard.
516
00:33:47,354 --> 00:33:50,483
It was so stripped and so powerful,
517
00:33:50,558 --> 00:33:56,691
that, at a certain point, I said:
"Shit, I wanted to be in that band."
518
00:35:20,007 --> 00:35:23,535
The opening for Johnny Winter,
who was a big star at the time,
519
00:35:24,312 --> 00:35:25,974
in Waterbury, Connecticut.
520
00:35:26,048 --> 00:35:28,608
We thought we were going to be seen.
521
00:35:28,684 --> 00:35:31,813
We thought that those people
they would listen to us
522
00:35:31,888 --> 00:35:36,020
and say, "Wow, that's impressive, man,
We're lucky to see this band."
523
00:35:36,729 --> 00:35:38,697
That's not exactly what happened.
524
00:35:38,797 --> 00:35:43,998
In fact, we were lucky because there was no
pause between our songs,
525
00:35:44,071 --> 00:35:49,511
but when we stop to take off our jacket
before "Wanna Be Your Boyfriend",
526
00:35:49,579 --> 00:35:52,548
a slow crescendo of...
527
00:35:54,451 --> 00:35:55,975
emerged.
528
00:35:56,053 --> 00:35:59,319
I should be a stage roadie
529
00:35:59,391 --> 00:36:03,386
and I found myself hiding
behind the Marshall amplifiers
530
00:36:03,497 --> 00:36:08,663
because they were throwing bottles
every ten seconds.
531
00:36:10,305 --> 00:36:14,504
Everyone shouted:
"Get off the fucking stage."
532
00:36:14,611 --> 00:36:16,910
We were lucky they didn't kill us.
533
00:36:16,981 --> 00:36:20,179
The Ramones are not an opening act.
534
00:36:20,252 --> 00:36:26,055
Whoever you were going to see, they
would mistake it as an opening number.
535
00:36:26,125 --> 00:36:29,994
In the United States, at that time, not even
we could start. Nobody cared.
536
00:36:30,064 --> 00:36:34,400
Apart from Rolling Stone, Village Voice,
no one else.
537
00:36:34,470 --> 00:36:38,430
But in England,
in fact we created a commotion.
538
00:36:38,508 --> 00:36:42,070
Joey said, "I have to go to England."
And I: "Why do you have to go?"
539
00:36:42,146 --> 00:36:46,345
England didn't seem that important.
They couldn't get a job in New Jersey.
540
00:36:47,119 --> 00:36:50,955
I had a conscience, and the Pistols had
conscience, of the New York scene
541
00:36:51,025 --> 00:36:52,822
via Malcolm McLaren.
542
00:36:52,893 --> 00:36:57,628
We used to spend time at his store,
and he had traveled to the United States.
543
00:36:57,700 --> 00:37:01,102
He had been working
as manager of the New York Dolls.
544
00:37:01,171 --> 00:37:03,639
If that Ramones album didn't exist,
545
00:37:03,707 --> 00:37:06,836
I don't know if we would have succeeded
build a scene here.
546
00:37:06,911 --> 00:37:09,642
It occupied a vital hiatus,
if you prefer it that way,
547
00:37:09,715 --> 00:37:14,654
among the death of the old pub rock scene
548
00:37:14,722 --> 00:37:16,121
and the advent of punk.
549
00:37:16,390 --> 00:37:18,256
July 4, 1976.
550
00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:19,952
We went to England.
551
00:37:20,062 --> 00:37:25,263
We played at a place called the Roundhouse.
There were room for 3,000 people and it was packed.
552
00:37:25,336 --> 00:37:30,138
There were people waiting at the hotel
to sleep with us.
553
00:37:30,208 --> 00:37:32,234
You can say it's very good
554
00:37:32,311 --> 00:37:37,079
having people queuing up to have sex
with roadies and businesspeople.
555
00:37:37,151 --> 00:37:41,282
During the soundcheck that day,
all those boys came to us
556
00:37:41,356 --> 00:37:46,853
and said how we were responsible
by essentially stimulating them
557
00:37:46,930 --> 00:37:49,832
to form their own bands.
558
00:37:49,901 --> 00:37:56,467
Everyone who would be in punk bands
rock from the UK were on the show.
559
00:37:56,576 --> 00:38:00,343
There must have been 60 people in the audience,
what was nothing,
560
00:38:00,414 --> 00:38:02,349
but they all formed a band.
561
00:38:02,450 --> 00:38:05,614
They started things off in style.
562
00:38:05,655 --> 00:38:09,820
Stranglers, the Pistols,
The Clash, The Damned.
563
00:38:09,893 --> 00:38:12,454
We knew how to get there
In the backstage window...
564
00:38:12,530 --> 00:38:14,361
MAIN ENTRANCE
'DOWNSTAIRS'
565
00:38:14,432 --> 00:38:19,235
And when the Ramones were
getting ready to perform...
566
00:38:19,306 --> 00:38:22,936
I was there, Simon, Jonesy,
some of the Sex Pistols.
567
00:38:23,010 --> 00:38:26,538
We were in the back
and we threw a rock through the window.
568
00:38:26,648 --> 00:38:29,276
Johnny Ramone stuck his head out
and said, "What happened?"
569
00:38:29,385 --> 00:38:34,050
We said, "Hi, this is The Clash,
These are the Pistols and we need to get in."
570
00:38:34,124 --> 00:38:38,425
So they kind of formed a chain
human and pulled us through this window.
571
00:38:38,496 --> 00:38:44,300
It was the first time we met,
and it was a huge punk rock moment.
572
00:38:44,371 --> 00:38:48,934
Johnny Rotten - I didn't know who he was -
was trying to enter through a side door.
573
00:38:49,010 --> 00:38:51,104
He said he wanted to meet the band.
574
00:38:51,180 --> 00:38:52,511
But I was scared.
575
00:38:52,581 --> 00:38:53,549
Ramones Art Director
576
00:38:53,617 --> 00:38:59,079
He asked me if they were going to hit him
if he were to meet the band.
577
00:38:59,190 --> 00:39:03,492
Everyone thought the Ramones were
a Bronx gang or something.
578
00:39:03,596 --> 00:39:07,158
Paul Simonon once said:
"Damn, you guys are big, you packed everything.
579
00:39:07,201 --> 00:39:08,828
"We are from England
580
00:39:08,903 --> 00:39:13,500
"and we still haven't introduced ourselves
because we're not good enough."
581
00:39:13,575 --> 00:39:16,841
Johnny said:
"Wait until you see us. We suck.
582
00:39:16,913 --> 00:39:19,405
"You don't have to be good.
Go out there and play."
583
00:39:21,853 --> 00:39:25,813
Guys, it's good to be here tonight.
Happy 4th of July.
584
00:39:35,003 --> 00:39:37,564
What was it like seeing them live?
585
00:39:37,674 --> 00:39:41,543
It was a great emotion,
because of the constant stream of music.
586
00:39:41,612 --> 00:39:47,643
There wasn't the slightest space between the end
of one song and the beginning of the other.
587
00:39:47,720 --> 00:39:50,951
Many people, probably from the industry,
588
00:39:51,023 --> 00:39:56,759
they thought: "It's a punk rock pandemonium.
There will be drunks falling everywhere. "
589
00:39:56,831 --> 00:39:59,733
They weren't prepared for a strong punch...
590
00:40:00,869 --> 00:40:02,838
So. So...
591
00:40:02,906 --> 00:40:07,742
I couldn't have been more tense than
If I had always lived in New Orleans,
592
00:40:07,812 --> 00:40:10,145
because it was unbelievable.
593
00:40:20,962 --> 00:40:23,659
It was the 4th of July weekend in 1976.
594
00:40:23,733 --> 00:40:27,761
I remember going to the loft
and stay at the entrance waiting for Joey.
595
00:40:27,838 --> 00:40:32,174
I didn't know what to do. I kept thinking:
"Where's Joey? When's he coming back?"
596
00:40:32,244 --> 00:40:37,512
He came back and said, "They liked us
for real. " I said, "Really?"
597
00:40:37,617 --> 00:40:40,178
I thought, "Wow. This is great."
598
00:40:40,287 --> 00:40:41,345
THE RAMONES ATTACK LONDON
599
00:40:41,455 --> 00:40:45,517
I had no idea how that
was significant or important.
600
00:40:45,628 --> 00:40:50,589
It was just, "Oh, they didn't throw bottles
in you. That's great."
601
00:40:50,667 --> 00:40:55,002
It was exciting, but it ended
because you weren't rich or famous.
602
00:40:55,073 --> 00:40:57,941
They go home and guess what...
603
00:40:58,010 --> 00:41:03,040
Still can't do a show
in New Haven, Connecticut, somewhere. Toad's.
604
00:41:03,117 --> 00:41:06,178
You had to beg to play at Toad's.
605
00:41:06,255 --> 00:41:09,714
They were paying me $50 a week
to be their roadie.
606
00:41:09,793 --> 00:41:13,093
I was going broke,
and they were also broke.
607
00:41:13,197 --> 00:41:18,864
Arturo had a big loft, and everyone
they just ended up staying there.
608
00:41:18,937 --> 00:41:22,237
Joey's bed was
on the back.
609
00:41:22,308 --> 00:41:23,867
Ramones Art Director
610
00:41:23,944 --> 00:41:29,110
Dee Dee had a mattress on the floor
who kept changing places.
611
00:41:29,184 --> 00:41:32,712
Because he kept burning the ground,
you know.
612
00:41:34,191 --> 00:41:39,596
He really took over
from me and Joey. We were like children.
613
00:41:39,664 --> 00:41:43,260
We had no idea how to clean the loft
or anything else.
614
00:41:43,335 --> 00:41:46,396
And he accepted this for the sake of art.
615
00:41:46,506 --> 00:41:49,772
He thought the Ramones
they were some form of art.
616
00:41:49,844 --> 00:41:52,405
And Connie lived there for a while.
617
00:41:52,514 --> 00:41:54,710
I kicked them out because of the fights.
618
00:41:54,784 --> 00:41:56,308
- Who expelled him?
- Connie.
619
00:41:56,385 --> 00:41:59,981
Connie was a prostitute, blonde, tall...
620
00:42:00,057 --> 00:42:02,288
big breasts, full-bodied,
621
00:42:02,393 --> 00:42:05,158
who was Dee Dee's girlfriend.
622
00:42:05,197 --> 00:42:07,462
Both were heroin addicts.
623
00:42:07,534 --> 00:42:12,529
Connie was crazy. Connie was
with Arthur Kane, from the New York Dolls.
624
00:42:12,607 --> 00:42:14,701
She had a freak out and,
while he was sleeping,
625
00:42:14,776 --> 00:42:18,406
took a knife
and tried to cut off his thumb
626
00:42:18,515 --> 00:42:20,608
so he couldn't play bass anymore.
627
00:42:20,717 --> 00:42:22,743
Oh, man.
628
00:42:22,853 --> 00:42:28,020
Heavy stuff... She was addicted,
but he was a heavy person, very intense.
629
00:42:28,094 --> 00:42:32,862
She was equal to him.
They fought, man.
630
00:42:32,933 --> 00:42:40,103
One time, Dee Dee took a coin, put
part between his fingers and punched it.
631
00:42:49,588 --> 00:42:53,889
They were always at the door of CBGB
arguing, breaking bottles.
632
00:42:53,993 --> 00:42:56,724
Connie stabbed him in the ass,
I remember that.
633
00:42:56,797 --> 00:42:59,358
And he couldn't sit down.
634
00:43:08,479 --> 00:43:14,817
My job was to keep Connie
in the parking lot while they played shows.
635
00:43:14,887 --> 00:43:17,015
It was difficult for me,
636
00:43:17,090 --> 00:43:23,053
because John told me
keep Connie away from them,
637
00:43:23,131 --> 00:43:26,499
but, on the other hand,
She was Dee Dee's girlfriend.
638
00:43:26,603 --> 00:43:29,334
There was always a girl
trying to steal Dee Dee.
639
00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:33,400
The fights between him and Connie
they were basically because of that.
640
00:43:33,511 --> 00:43:37,414
Connie took care of her man,
who was becoming a rock star.
641
00:43:47,630 --> 00:43:49,188
Why does it play so loud?
642
00:43:49,265 --> 00:43:53,033
We like it that way. I don't know.
643
00:43:53,104 --> 00:43:55,834
- Don't you know?
- We don't have... Why?
644
00:43:55,906 --> 00:44:00,072
We like it that way.
We have no control over this.
645
00:44:00,179 --> 00:44:02,272
Joey had to become a rock star
646
00:44:02,382 --> 00:44:04,374
because it was excellent anyway.
647
00:44:04,485 --> 00:44:06,681
He had to do something with it.
648
00:44:06,755 --> 00:44:10,624
Instead of being mistreated by people,
he had to become...
649
00:44:10,693 --> 00:44:13,127
I really don't think he had a choice.
650
00:44:13,196 --> 00:44:15,426
The first thing I remember
651
00:44:15,499 --> 00:44:19,903
that made me realize that something was
really happening to my brother...
652
00:44:19,972 --> 00:44:22,202
We were at CBGB together.
653
00:44:22,274 --> 00:44:24,607
A guy, Joe Stevens, photographer,
654
00:44:24,678 --> 00:44:27,147
I wanted to take a photo, right?
655
00:44:27,214 --> 00:44:31,879
And he said to me, "Excuse me,
Can you stay away from Joey?"
656
00:44:31,987 --> 00:44:34,616
You could say that my brother
felt bad about that,
657
00:44:34,724 --> 00:44:39,992
so we looked at each other, laughed, and I said:
"Come on, no problem."
658
00:44:40,064 --> 00:44:41,965
Then, suddenly,
659
00:44:42,033 --> 00:44:46,562
he starts to loosen up a little,
gaining a little confidence.
660
00:44:46,639 --> 00:44:50,098
And suddenly the girls
they start paying attention to him.
661
00:44:50,177 --> 00:44:54,013
Girls who weren't
taking medication.
662
00:44:54,583 --> 00:44:57,211
Well, after eight weeks on the road,
663
00:44:57,887 --> 00:45:00,412
I'll be fine.
664
00:45:09,502 --> 00:45:13,405
Each city was a hell of a battle.
665
00:45:13,474 --> 00:45:17,138
Boston, Rochester, New Haven, Philadelphia...
666
00:45:17,212 --> 00:45:21,674
It was the United States,
they were late here. It was horrible.
667
00:45:21,752 --> 00:45:25,189
You couldn't get to the radio.
The media here was against them.
668
00:45:25,256 --> 00:45:27,156
We were always blacklisted
669
00:45:27,225 --> 00:45:32,028
because I think the industry
I didn't want to break the routine.
670
00:45:32,098 --> 00:45:35,557
They were waiting
that we disappear.
671
00:45:35,636 --> 00:45:39,971
We always play in places
where no band had played before.
672
00:45:40,075 --> 00:45:46,710
I remember that several places where we played
they still had spinning balls on the ceiling.
673
00:45:46,784 --> 00:45:51,620
They left a legion of fans.
674
00:45:51,689 --> 00:45:54,818
Children. "No future, guys. No future."
675
00:45:56,696 --> 00:46:00,428
"Maybe we have a future.
We thought we had no future.
676
00:46:00,501 --> 00:46:04,632
"Look at them. They don't know how to play.
They're horrible.
677
00:46:04,740 --> 00:46:09,076
"They don't know more than three,
maybe two notes.
678
00:46:09,880 --> 00:46:15,581
"But look, it's exciting. They are big,
famous, everyone came. They can get laid.
679
00:46:15,688 --> 00:46:17,280
"Let's start a band."
680
00:46:17,390 --> 00:46:20,986
I swear to you, every place we went,
681
00:46:21,061 --> 00:46:28,231
there were bands that didn't exist when
The Ramones played there for the first time.
682
00:46:28,304 --> 00:46:31,604
And when they returned, they already existed.
683
00:46:31,675 --> 00:46:34,042
They were like Pied Pipers of Hamelin.
684
00:46:37,216 --> 00:46:42,120
Of course I thought we were
the best at what we do.
685
00:46:42,188 --> 00:46:45,249
I couldn't see another band and say:
"This band is better."
686
00:46:45,359 --> 00:46:47,157
We're at the top.
687
00:46:47,262 --> 00:46:50,596
And at a certain point, I really thought
that there was someone as good as us,
688
00:46:50,666 --> 00:46:51,963
and it was The Clash.
689
00:46:52,034 --> 00:46:55,869
On the second album tour, I said, "Shit,
These guys are as good as we are."
690
00:46:55,939 --> 00:46:59,432
Joey bought the single "White Riot".
691
00:46:59,511 --> 00:47:03,677
We took it off the cover and Joey put it on
on a portable record player.
692
00:47:09,490 --> 00:47:14,862
We looked at each other and I said, "My
God, they're simply copying you.
693
00:47:14,931 --> 00:47:17,264
"Completely."
694
00:47:17,334 --> 00:47:19,928
The thing in England
became bigger and bigger,
695
00:47:20,037 --> 00:47:23,474
and we were still trying to get
75 cents for a pint of beer.
696
00:47:23,542 --> 00:47:26,205
As if nothing had changed.
697
00:47:26,279 --> 00:47:31,583
It kind of makes you think, "Wait a minute."
We did this first. We didn't gain anything. "
698
00:47:31,653 --> 00:47:36,990
And then the Sex Pistols album was released.
It was great. It was a great record.
699
00:47:37,059 --> 00:47:41,760
Malcolm didn't just steal the show
and gave it a new format,
700
00:47:41,832 --> 00:47:43,299
but also the music was good.
701
00:47:43,367 --> 00:47:45,029
OBSCENITY AND FURY
702
00:47:45,103 --> 00:47:47,401
The Ramones suffered a lot,
703
00:47:47,472 --> 00:47:53,879
because the Sex Pistols were so famous
due to vomiting, bleeding, scratches...
704
00:47:53,948 --> 00:47:55,473
ROCK IS SICK
AND LIVES IN LONDON
705
00:47:55,584 --> 00:47:56,915
...and anarchy.
706
00:47:56,985 --> 00:48:01,617
That came after them, with the Sex Pistols
dominating the headlines.
707
00:48:01,692 --> 00:48:04,856
An English rock band, who had
somehow built a public
708
00:48:04,929 --> 00:48:06,692
spitting on the audience,
709
00:48:06,764 --> 00:48:09,893
who often responded
throwing bottles at the band,
710
00:48:09,969 --> 00:48:15,307
came to this country saying he was here
to "take a few dollars from the Yankees."
711
00:48:15,376 --> 00:48:18,403
We feel that we and the Sex Pistols
we would become
712
00:48:18,480 --> 00:48:21,313
almost like the Beatles
and the Stones of the 60s.
713
00:48:21,383 --> 00:48:24,683
As if we were the new revolution,
let's say so.
714
00:48:24,787 --> 00:48:28,657
It wouldn't work like that.
I was having a negative feeling...
715
00:48:28,727 --> 00:48:30,592
Sewage from abroad is arriving
PUNK ROCK
716
00:48:30,662 --> 00:48:32,927
...that it would destroy the whole thing.
717
00:48:32,999 --> 00:48:37,460
Scared everyone,
It scared the music industry, the radio stations...
718
00:48:37,537 --> 00:48:41,634
I remember I had composed a song
called "Sheena's A Punk Rocker"
719
00:48:41,709 --> 00:48:43,405
and I played it for Seymour Stein.
720
00:48:43,479 --> 00:48:47,109
He turned and said:
"We have to get this out."
721
00:48:47,183 --> 00:48:49,084
The album was doing very well.
722
00:48:49,153 --> 00:48:53,716
Then one day, on 60 Minutes,
it was about the Sex Pistols,
723
00:48:53,792 --> 00:48:58,025
the diaper pins, all trying
gouge out each other's eyes,
724
00:48:58,131 --> 00:49:00,600
the strangulation, this and that.
725
00:49:00,668 --> 00:49:05,368
Everyone was impressed,
and things changed radically.
726
00:49:05,473 --> 00:49:09,069
That kind of ruined things
for ourselves.
727
00:49:09,111 --> 00:49:12,810
When their records hit the radio,
that...
728
00:49:13,918 --> 00:49:18,913
intuition, like, "What do I know about them?"
"Oh, they're trouble."
729
00:49:18,991 --> 00:49:22,689
"They vomit. If we play their record,
we will have to bring them here,
730
00:49:22,762 --> 00:49:26,255
"and they will vomit
on the recording studio table.
731
00:49:26,334 --> 00:49:28,768
"We don't want them. Don't play their record.
732
00:49:28,837 --> 00:49:31,500
"It's easier. Don't play their record."
733
00:49:31,607 --> 00:49:35,408
It's always easier
not do a thing than do it.
734
00:49:35,479 --> 00:49:38,916
These songs
They are classic American pop songs.
735
00:49:38,983 --> 00:49:42,181
Why weren't they played on the radio?
Why weren't they?
736
00:49:43,356 --> 00:49:47,293
LONDON, NEW YEAR'S EVE, 1977
737
00:51:30,428 --> 00:51:33,956
In the first description they gave of us,
They called us punks, a punk band.
738
00:51:34,032 --> 00:51:37,799
That's where it started.
After that, they called us punk.
739
00:51:37,871 --> 00:51:42,936
Tommy was our spokesperson at that time.
He did most of the interviews.
740
00:51:43,011 --> 00:51:47,779
He felt it was important that the band
happened with an intelligent air,
741
00:51:47,884 --> 00:51:49,978
because we had an image of imbeciles.
742
00:51:50,087 --> 00:51:53,615
So we try to keep the interviews
basically with me and him.
743
00:51:53,725 --> 00:51:58,026
I wasn't very friendly,
I didn't want to talk to anyone;
744
00:51:58,097 --> 00:51:59,428
So, that stayed with him.
745
00:51:59,499 --> 00:52:03,994
It was Johnny's band.
Johnny was the in-house businessman.
746
00:52:04,105 --> 00:52:07,439
He was the disciplinarian,
747
00:52:07,476 --> 00:52:11,607
and it was like this: "They don't want to treat
an important matter with Dee Dee. "
748
00:52:11,681 --> 00:52:15,049
Dee Dee is very intelligent,
but Dee Dee is trouble.
749
00:52:15,119 --> 00:52:17,088
He lives to be trouble.
750
00:52:17,155 --> 00:52:20,216
He lives to be that horrible boy
six years old.
751
00:52:20,326 --> 00:52:21,486
And Joey was trouble.
752
00:52:21,594 --> 00:52:25,998
He was so fragile, he was always getting sick,
I couldn't go down stairs...
753
00:52:26,066 --> 00:52:32,098
Johnny was trouble. He punched his head
from Dee Dee after the show if he messed up.
754
00:52:32,174 --> 00:52:34,973
They were all trouble.
755
00:52:35,645 --> 00:52:38,740
It's a band.
I mean, you know, it's rock'n'roll.
756
00:52:38,816 --> 00:52:41,945
We played so loud,
and the amplifiers couldn't handle it...
757
00:52:42,020 --> 00:52:44,012
but now we have these amplifiers
758
00:52:44,090 --> 00:52:48,027
that... they... really...
759
00:52:48,095 --> 00:52:49,585
work.
760
00:52:49,663 --> 00:52:55,626
We can force them. We could explode
this place if we wanted.
761
00:52:55,705 --> 00:52:58,504
We would set everything up.
762
00:52:58,575 --> 00:53:00,543
The Ramones were all crazy.
763
00:53:00,644 --> 00:53:04,241
Imagine being in a van with Dee Dee,
Johnny and Joey forever.
764
00:53:04,350 --> 00:53:07,809
I spent a lot of time in the van,
and let me tell you, it wasn't fun.
765
00:53:07,854 --> 00:53:13,851
I was in the fuckin' van, "Come on, Joe,
We have to get to Buffalo today."
766
00:53:13,928 --> 00:53:15,726
He went down the steps
767
00:53:15,797 --> 00:53:19,734
and came back because I hadn't stepped
on all the other steps, something like that.
768
00:53:19,802 --> 00:53:26,437
He was... superstitious, but he went further.
It was compulsive behavior.
769
00:53:26,544 --> 00:53:29,514
He touched all the stakes in...
770
00:53:29,615 --> 00:53:32,050
If I were to cross the street,
771
00:53:32,119 --> 00:53:34,782
I would go back, I would start crossing the street...
772
00:53:35,990 --> 00:53:38,960
I remember that each one sat down
with your girlfriend.
773
00:53:39,028 --> 00:53:42,624
Connie and Dee Dee were there.
774
00:53:42,699 --> 00:53:46,466
And Johnny said, "She's a pig.
What are you doing with her?
775
00:53:46,537 --> 00:53:49,098
"What are you doing with a pig?"
776
00:53:49,174 --> 00:53:51,233
Just teasing Dee Dee.
777
00:53:51,309 --> 00:53:54,473
And Dee Dee started to lose her mind
778
00:53:54,547 --> 00:53:59,009
and pulled out that huge 007 knife,
a gravity knife.
779
00:53:59,120 --> 00:54:00,815
And I was among them.
780
00:54:00,922 --> 00:54:04,381
Dee Dee was playing
with that huge knife to stab...
781
00:54:04,493 --> 00:54:06,724
Johnny said, "Are you going to kill me?"
782
00:54:06,797 --> 00:54:10,791
In relation to business,
Johnny was very smart.
783
00:54:10,868 --> 00:54:13,929
He knew how to manage
that organization and the business,
784
00:54:14,006 --> 00:54:19,810
and all aspects of ensuring that the group
had certain rules and respected them,
785
00:54:19,880 --> 00:54:21,677
which I respected a lot.
786
00:54:21,749 --> 00:54:24,583
His personality sucked.
787
00:54:24,653 --> 00:54:26,986
He was controlling...
788
00:54:27,990 --> 00:54:32,622
I don't know, he had a controlling personality.
789
00:54:32,730 --> 00:54:34,721
It's difficult.
790
00:54:37,036 --> 00:54:39,562
He was just trying...
791
00:54:41,875 --> 00:54:46,940
take advantage of a once-in-a-lifetime situation.
792
00:54:47,015 --> 00:54:49,381
He tried to be an adult about it.
793
00:54:49,451 --> 00:54:53,446
And we were really unbalanced.
This made him furious.
794
00:54:53,524 --> 00:54:56,722
He was very unpleasant,
795
00:54:56,795 --> 00:55:02,098
and besides, we provoked him
to become a monster.
796
00:55:17,945 --> 00:55:22,144
If I'm taking care of things like
a sergeant, not everyone can handle that.
797
00:55:22,217 --> 00:55:26,712
But there needs to be someone to take
the decisions. Someone has to do something,
798
00:55:26,789 --> 00:55:28,917
otherwise we would all be skating.
799
00:55:28,992 --> 00:55:32,793
I think he did too
many sacrifices for the band.
800
00:55:32,864 --> 00:55:35,356
He had to put up with a lot of provocation.
801
00:55:35,434 --> 00:55:39,701
I think everyone's behavior
of the band offended him.
802
00:55:39,806 --> 00:55:42,469
He didn't want anyone to use drugs.
803
00:55:42,577 --> 00:55:48,677
I didn't want to obey either
to some of your rules all the time.
804
00:55:48,751 --> 00:55:54,019
And I think the Ramones
they really had to obey.
805
00:55:54,091 --> 00:55:59,497
Dee Dee always expresses frustration at having
stuck with the "potty" haircut.
806
00:55:59,565 --> 00:56:03,400
He wanted to dress differently
and have punk rock hair.
807
00:56:03,470 --> 00:56:05,905
I think Dee Dee felt
very frustrated with that,
808
00:56:05,974 --> 00:56:11,072
because he came from that look
Jerry Nolan/Johnny Thunders,
809
00:56:11,180 --> 00:56:13,445
dressing in a more stylized way and such.
810
00:56:13,550 --> 00:56:19,115
Instead, you had to have a uniform, there was
the imposition: "Here's your uniform. Put it on."
811
00:56:32,308 --> 00:56:35,608
The song "Chinese Rocks" was made
because Dee Dee had composed it
812
00:56:35,679 --> 00:56:38,273
and Hell had written one of the verses.
813
00:56:38,348 --> 00:56:41,318
The Ramones didn't want
make songs about heroine
814
00:56:41,386 --> 00:56:45,084
and they didn't like that Dee Dee
Hang out with Johnny, Jerry and Hell
815
00:56:45,190 --> 00:56:46,624
because they were addicts.
816
00:56:46,693 --> 00:56:52,258
They were angry when they discovered that he
I was hanging out with the Heartbreakers.
817
00:56:52,367 --> 00:56:54,858
But we had an addictive relationship.
818
00:56:54,970 --> 00:57:00,376
We didn't think about playing guitar
when we were together.
819
00:57:00,444 --> 00:57:03,380
The Heartbreakers
focused on drugs,
820
00:57:03,448 --> 00:57:07,818
and I think Dee Dee would have liked it
to be part of the Heartbreakers.
821
00:57:07,887 --> 00:57:10,356
Wouldn't it be great to be
in a band of addicts
822
00:57:10,424 --> 00:57:13,155
and not with faces
Who collects baseball cards?
823
00:57:28,447 --> 00:57:33,318
How do you feel about bands
that you actually inspired,
824
00:57:33,387 --> 00:57:38,985
like Blondie, who commercially
overshadowed you? Does this make them mad?
825
00:57:39,060 --> 00:57:44,329
No. They chose
this way of playing disco music.
826
00:57:44,401 --> 00:57:47,667
We do what we believe in,
we have our integrity
827
00:57:47,739 --> 00:57:49,934
and we are happy
doing what we're doing.
828
00:57:51,043 --> 00:57:55,413
There for the third year, for me,
Things started to get claustrophobic.
829
00:57:55,482 --> 00:57:59,351
Tommy left the band.
I don't really know why.
830
00:57:59,420 --> 00:58:02,356
I think he didn't like the tours,
I wanted to be a producer.
831
00:58:02,457 --> 00:58:08,489
They were two different worlds. In the studio,
I was in control, creating.
832
00:58:08,532 --> 00:58:12,264
On the road, I was like a passenger,
833
00:58:12,337 --> 00:58:16,934
basically being ordered
and not being treated well, actually.
834
00:58:17,009 --> 00:58:20,070
I felt like I was going crazy.
835
00:58:20,147 --> 00:58:23,379
I explained to people:
"I think I'm going crazy",
836
00:58:23,451 --> 00:58:27,252
and they thought that was interesting, right?
837
00:58:27,356 --> 00:58:33,263
The option was for me to stay on the road
and become a vegetable
838
00:58:33,330 --> 00:58:36,323
or help them compose songs,
produce the records,
839
00:58:36,401 --> 00:58:40,429
what I thought would be more productive,
and look for another drummer.
840
00:58:40,506 --> 00:58:43,340
We were shocked
and we tried to convince Tommy to stay.
841
00:58:43,410 --> 00:58:47,074
"What will we do without Tommy?"
That was a big deal.
842
00:58:47,148 --> 00:58:51,780
But Tommy convinced us that it wouldn't be
The problem was just finding a better drummer.
843
00:58:51,855 --> 00:58:53,379
"Okay, great."
844
00:58:54,558 --> 00:58:56,083
I went to their rehearsals,
845
00:58:56,160 --> 00:59:00,257
and Tommy Ramone sat behind me,
but John told me to stay alert.
846
00:59:00,365 --> 00:59:04,860
I knew what he meant,
the songs came one after the other,
847
00:59:04,972 --> 00:59:07,338
which was impressive.
I've never seen that in my life.
848
00:59:45,958 --> 00:59:50,453
I immediately became unsure.
849
00:59:50,531 --> 00:59:53,865
Is it true? Are these really the Ramones?
850
00:59:53,935 --> 00:59:55,425
Who are the Ramones?
851
00:59:55,503 --> 01:00:01,910
Tommy was never really accepted
like a Ramone among the other three,
852
01:00:01,978 --> 01:00:06,075
because he demonstrated
a very conservative facade
853
01:00:06,185 --> 01:00:07,379
for the rest of us.
854
01:00:07,486 --> 01:00:09,386
I knew that Tommy
it was totally crazy.
855
01:00:10,223 --> 01:00:14,888
At the same time, there were certain things
that were so wonderful in him
856
01:00:14,962 --> 01:00:17,796
that I could never be like him.
857
01:00:17,866 --> 01:00:20,893
I recognized this
and I didn't like that about myself.
858
01:00:21,571 --> 01:00:23,301
Tommy was that kind of guy
859
01:00:23,373 --> 01:00:27,435
who bought potatoes and hamburgers
to make a meal for yourself.
860
01:00:27,512 --> 01:00:34,010
At 21 years of age,
It's a really cool thing to do,
861
01:00:34,087 --> 01:00:39,856
better than taking drugs and chips.
862
01:00:39,961 --> 01:00:42,658
Tommy was important to the sound,
Don't you think?
863
01:00:42,764 --> 01:00:44,892
No.
864
01:00:48,872 --> 01:00:52,866
Any recorded music
with different drummers, bassists, vocalists,
865
01:00:52,944 --> 01:00:55,470
They always sounded like the Ramones.
866
01:00:56,816 --> 01:01:00,548
He was very important
for the band's sound, don't you think?
867
01:01:00,655 --> 01:01:02,623
No.
868
01:01:02,657 --> 01:01:07,254
Not really. I think Tommy
I was in the right place at the right time.
869
01:01:07,329 --> 01:01:12,894
But give him the opportunity to take fame from it,
870
01:01:13,004 --> 01:01:16,532
or artistic credit,
or anything, forget it.
871
01:01:16,642 --> 01:01:19,134
Give it a break.
872
01:01:19,245 --> 01:01:21,214
It's not true.
873
01:01:40,372 --> 01:01:44,868
From "Rocket To Russia" to "Road To Ruin",
we took a long time making that record.
874
01:01:44,979 --> 01:01:48,848
They wanted to make a great album
that was commercially viable...
875
01:01:48,917 --> 01:01:49,941
Engineer
876
01:01:50,052 --> 01:01:52,351
...that would reach a wider audience.
877
01:02:04,637 --> 01:02:07,835
Tommy told me,
when they were producing "Road To Ruin",
878
01:02:07,908 --> 01:02:11,345
that, if this album wasn't successful,
879
01:02:12,481 --> 01:02:14,381
we would never have one.
880
01:02:14,450 --> 01:02:18,046
Joey always thought that the next album
it would be their hit album.
881
01:02:18,154 --> 01:02:20,487
He was an eternal optimist.
882
01:02:20,591 --> 01:02:24,528
- Tommy was very realistic.
- The record company didn't sell the records.
883
01:02:24,629 --> 01:02:26,894
So who are they going to blame?
884
01:02:26,966 --> 01:02:31,233
They won't blame themselves because
they can't sell the thing;
885
01:02:31,305 --> 01:02:34,036
So, it must be the producer's fault.
886
01:02:34,109 --> 01:02:36,101
Produced by Tommy Erdelyi and Ed Stasium
887
01:02:38,948 --> 01:02:43,910
They asked me to do "Rock'N'Roll High
School", I went to Los Angeles to record the tracks
888
01:02:43,988 --> 01:02:47,481
and I really thought Tommy would be there.
889
01:02:47,559 --> 01:02:49,459
And no Tommy.
890
01:02:49,528 --> 01:02:51,087
Tommy was in control of everything.
891
01:02:51,197 --> 01:02:55,157
They would listen to me,
but I was going to argue with Tommy.
892
01:02:55,269 --> 01:03:00,004
As long as I agreed
with what Tommy thought we should do,
893
01:03:00,076 --> 01:03:01,543
Dee Dee was going ahead.
894
01:03:01,611 --> 01:03:03,239
What about Joey?
895
01:03:03,313 --> 01:03:06,043
He had little to say,
it was quieter then.
896
01:03:06,116 --> 01:03:08,278
At first, Joey didn't talk much.
897
01:03:08,353 --> 01:03:11,790
I was enjoying
the success they were having.
898
01:03:11,857 --> 01:03:15,692
It was a continuation
of your shyness and insecurity.
899
01:03:15,762 --> 01:03:23,034
He did not have a complete understanding
nor what the Ramones' conception was.
900
01:03:23,105 --> 01:03:24,937
He didn't really have much to say
901
01:03:25,041 --> 01:03:29,172
and I wasn't sure whether I should speak or not,
902
01:03:29,280 --> 01:03:31,112
because it wasn't his role.
903
01:03:31,183 --> 01:03:34,711
He seemed
an understanding and harmless guy.
904
01:03:34,787 --> 01:03:39,020
One day, I saw him change, in France,
in a sound check,
905
01:03:39,092 --> 01:03:40,788
when Tommy was in the band.
906
01:03:40,862 --> 01:03:45,766
He was furious
due to Tommy being the band's spokesperson.
907
01:03:45,835 --> 01:03:49,499
I think Joey felt
as if he also had something to say.
908
01:03:49,573 --> 01:03:54,774
Because Tommy controlled
what Joey was going to say in interviews.
909
01:03:54,847 --> 01:03:58,079
He was always ignored
for most of his life.
910
01:03:58,184 --> 01:04:00,709
Now that he finally
is getting some attention,
911
01:04:00,820 --> 01:04:04,313
you put faces telling him:
"That's what you should say.
912
01:04:04,426 --> 01:04:06,257
"Don't talk about it."
913
01:04:06,328 --> 01:04:12,428
I think Joey started to rebel. "Who
Are you the ones to tell me what I should say?"
914
01:04:12,503 --> 01:04:18,603
Since Tommy is no longer in the band,
Joey begins to express his opinion.
915
01:04:18,677 --> 01:04:20,872
We don't have Tommy anymore
916
01:04:20,946 --> 01:04:25,647
to be our shield
and decide what we should do and what is right.
917
01:04:25,720 --> 01:04:28,052
This became a problem.
918
01:04:32,362 --> 01:04:36,459
When we made the Phil Spector record,
That's when I met old Phil.
919
01:04:36,567 --> 01:04:38,593
He was my drinking buddy
in Los Angeles
920
01:04:38,703 --> 01:04:42,140
in the five weeks we spent there
doing "End Of The Century".
921
01:04:45,244 --> 01:04:48,875
Someone has to get it
do something with this band
922
01:04:48,950 --> 01:04:52,387
that everyone says
that should be the biggest band in the world.
923
01:04:52,454 --> 01:04:54,354
Maybe Phil Spector.
924
01:04:54,423 --> 01:04:57,655
I was Phil Spector's biggest fan.
He was a hero to me.
925
01:04:57,727 --> 01:05:04,100
"All Things Must Pass" and especially
the things he did with Lennon were raw.
926
01:05:04,202 --> 01:05:07,036
Phil really wanted
make the Ramones album.
927
01:05:07,106 --> 01:05:10,702
He was convinced that it would be
the biggest album of their career.
928
01:05:10,811 --> 01:05:14,805
It would be No. 1. He took me
to his office, looked at me
929
01:05:14,916 --> 01:05:17,750
and said, "This will be the biggest record ever."
930
01:05:17,820 --> 01:05:22,224
He was convincing himself.
He had an insane look when he talked about it.
931
01:05:22,292 --> 01:05:28,494
Joey was a Phil Spector fan from the time he
we were nine, ten, eleven years old.
932
01:05:28,567 --> 01:05:32,095
All the records, even before you know
which were produced by Phil Spector,
933
01:05:32,172 --> 01:05:34,141
we bought,
934
01:05:34,208 --> 01:05:38,543
and only later did we find out that it was Phil Spector
who had produced all those bands,
935
01:05:38,647 --> 01:05:40,639
who had organized them,
composed the songs.
936
01:05:40,750 --> 01:05:43,743
Phil Spector was his idol.
937
01:05:43,854 --> 01:05:49,760
For me, Phil's music was like a
early punk rock is its own way,
938
01:05:49,828 --> 01:05:53,425
for Spector was always in the vanguard.
939
01:05:53,500 --> 01:05:58,063
I think Phil loved Joey. They had a good
relationship. Joey is a great singer.
940
01:05:58,139 --> 01:06:02,099
I think Phil saw it in Joey
all the influence of his early things.
941
01:06:02,211 --> 01:06:05,181
I think Johnny knew
that it was a mistake.
942
01:06:05,215 --> 01:06:07,684
The guy is a producer.
Producers are nothing.
943
01:06:07,752 --> 01:06:12,053
He made some good records in the 60s.
Big deal.
944
01:06:12,157 --> 01:06:16,060
What had you been doing lately? The guy doesn't
had produced a hit 15 years ago.
945
01:06:16,129 --> 01:06:19,759
Phil Spector Musicians
And Personal Friends
946
01:06:19,833 --> 01:06:22,496
Phil is not like that:
"I'm going to make you the Beatles",
947
01:06:22,570 --> 01:06:27,235
It's like: "Dude, you're rock'n'roll, you know
The New York stuff, I understand you."
948
01:06:27,309 --> 01:06:29,870
- It's fine.
- "Let's make a record."
949
01:06:29,946 --> 01:06:34,942
"It's the Ramones, I'm Phil Spector, y'all
It'll be you, I'll be me, and we'll make a record."
950
01:06:35,020 --> 01:06:40,516
Joey's work with Phil Spector
helped him overcome the insecurities he had
951
01:06:40,593 --> 01:06:43,893
more than anything else
that happened in his career.
952
01:06:43,964 --> 01:06:47,457
He was interested in the power of the band
and Joey's vocals.
953
01:06:47,569 --> 01:06:50,164
He dedicated a lot of time to Joey on vocals.
954
01:06:50,273 --> 01:06:55,042
He kept doing that the whole meeting,
before we said, "Joey, Joey."
955
01:06:55,113 --> 01:06:57,673
He treated us
as if we weren't even there.
956
01:06:57,749 --> 01:07:00,241
Phil Spector invited us
to go to your house.
957
01:07:00,352 --> 01:07:02,981
It was like: "Great, let's see how it goes."
958
01:07:03,023 --> 01:07:03,990
Los Angeles DJ
959
01:07:04,057 --> 01:07:08,188
Phil liked to do his preaching,
telling stories about rock'n'roll.
960
01:07:08,263 --> 01:07:10,731
Joey is a rock and roll fanatic.
961
01:07:10,799 --> 01:07:16,967
Then he started to become delirious
and put on weird horror movies, stuff like that.
962
01:07:17,041 --> 01:07:21,274
We wanted to leave,
but he didn't want us to go.
963
01:07:21,379 --> 01:07:23,211
He said, "You have to stay here."
964
01:07:23,282 --> 01:07:25,011
He had guns in the house.
965
01:07:25,084 --> 01:07:26,382
DANGER - GUARD DOGS
966
01:07:26,453 --> 01:07:28,614
At one point, Phil pulled out his gun.
967
01:07:28,690 --> 01:07:32,286
Everyone dove behind the sofa.
968
01:07:32,361 --> 01:07:35,421
He held us hostage for a while there.
969
01:07:35,499 --> 01:07:39,903
Check this out: The Ramones,
a garage band, brilliant, current,
970
01:07:39,971 --> 01:07:44,807
and, suddenly, they find themselves working
with a serious professional producer,
971
01:07:44,877 --> 01:07:47,403
solid, of the highest breed.
972
01:07:47,480 --> 01:07:51,417
He had a little treasure chest
on his side.
973
01:07:51,519 --> 01:07:55,981
In a refrigerator. He had some kind
of wine there. In a thermal bottle holder.
974
01:07:56,092 --> 01:07:58,458
At this time, Phil was drinking,
975
01:07:58,528 --> 01:08:01,464
I was drinking,
Dee Dee was taking drugs,
976
01:08:01,565 --> 01:08:07,802
and... there were a lot of personality conflicts
during these meetings.
977
01:08:07,873 --> 01:08:12,777
Phil would make them play a note
about 60 or 70 times.
978
01:08:12,846 --> 01:08:16,214
The nightmare of that first chord
from "Rock'N'Roll High School."
979
01:08:16,284 --> 01:08:19,448
We made two recordings
and we went in to listen.
980
01:08:19,521 --> 01:08:23,516
Phil played, I think I counted,
about 160 times.
981
01:08:23,594 --> 01:08:27,395
For Johnny, that must have been
like Chinese water torture.
982
01:08:27,499 --> 01:08:34,498
So we made the chord, and he walking
around the room for three hours, swearing.
983
01:08:34,608 --> 01:08:40,310
He stopped the tape, stamped his foot on the floor and said:
"Shit, damn, fuck.",
984
01:08:40,382 --> 01:08:42,282
God knows why.
985
01:08:42,351 --> 01:08:46,015
He came back, played the chord again,
walked for another three hours,
986
01:08:46,089 --> 01:08:48,820
cursing the engineer.
987
01:08:48,893 --> 01:08:52,421
This continued for 12 hours.
988
01:08:52,998 --> 01:08:55,433
PUNISHMENT
989
01:09:03,612 --> 01:09:04,580
DIRECTOR
990
01:09:04,647 --> 01:09:08,414
Even the engineer
he had a heart attack at that time.
991
01:09:08,485 --> 01:09:11,046
It was a lot of stress making that record.
992
01:09:12,757 --> 01:09:15,318
I DON'T CARE ABOUT HISTORY...
993
01:09:36,021 --> 01:09:37,579
After three days of that,
994
01:09:37,689 --> 01:09:40,682
Johnny decided he had enough
and that I couldn't take it anymore.
995
01:09:40,793 --> 01:09:45,198
"I'm going to get out of here, I'm going
on the next plane to New York. Bye."
996
01:09:45,266 --> 01:09:47,564
"No. You're not going anywhere."
997
01:09:47,635 --> 01:09:51,767
"What are you going to do? Are you going to shoot me, Phil?
Do it. I don't care. I'm going. "
998
01:09:51,841 --> 01:09:56,575
� a small man with a wig
on the head and four weapons.
999
01:09:56,647 --> 01:10:01,176
He's an asshole to everyone,
treats everyone badly.
1000
01:10:02,255 --> 01:10:08,787
We reluctantly agreed to make the record
with him because we thought he could help us.
1001
01:10:08,897 --> 01:10:10,728
When we did the mixing,
1002
01:10:10,799 --> 01:10:15,294
For me, it was just another lie.
1003
01:10:15,371 --> 01:10:19,400
I thought it wasn't a great album
what could have been.
1004
01:10:19,477 --> 01:10:23,209
When we heard it, I particularly
I didn't like the sound of the drums.
1005
01:10:23,282 --> 01:10:24,840
Dee Dee hated,
1006
01:10:24,917 --> 01:10:27,182
but I think the songs were very good.
1007
01:10:27,253 --> 01:10:30,189
I think Phil did a good job,
1008
01:10:30,257 --> 01:10:35,195
considering the situation
of power he wielded.
1009
01:10:35,263 --> 01:10:40,362
"End Of The Century" represents the type
of pop music that Joey really liked,
1010
01:10:40,471 --> 01:10:43,600
what I wanted to do
and what I wanted to see the Ramones do.
1011
01:10:43,708 --> 01:10:49,147
It was a change from pure heavy punk rock
1012
01:10:49,248 --> 01:10:51,240
which Johnny hated to see happen.
1013
01:10:51,318 --> 01:10:56,849
Johnny wanted it to be the first album
Ramones classic forever.
1014
01:10:57,292 --> 01:11:03,061
It's no one's fault we were
thrown into it and tried to make the best of it,
1015
01:11:03,167 --> 01:11:07,468
but that started
It is rupture and separation.
1016
01:11:10,576 --> 01:11:12,339
PRODUCED BY PHIL SPECTOR
1017
01:11:12,445 --> 01:11:15,882
We made a record with Phil Spector.
It was our big opportunity.
1018
01:11:15,949 --> 01:11:19,351
And again, we don't sell the records.
1019
01:11:19,421 --> 01:11:27,490
At that moment, I knew that I had finally
I accepted that we didn't sell records.
1020
01:11:27,565 --> 01:11:31,400
Let's just try to keep
our career and continue to make money.
1021
01:11:31,470 --> 01:11:36,408
Just a job, let's make the best of it
As much as we can, make our fans happy,
1022
01:11:36,476 --> 01:11:39,503
Don't disappoint them.
1023
01:11:39,580 --> 01:11:42,448
And don't worry about it. To accept.
1024
01:11:42,517 --> 01:11:45,043
It's your goal in life.
1025
01:11:47,123 --> 01:11:55,693
Danny Fields and Linda Stein's contract
as businesspeople was not renewed.
1026
01:11:59,973 --> 01:12:03,137
Then we started to put more pressure.
1027
01:12:04,480 --> 01:12:07,381
"Graham Gouldman,
work with Graham Gouldman?
1028
01:12:07,449 --> 01:12:11,888
"He has the 10cc, he should be producing
a Ramones album? It's ridiculous."
1029
01:12:11,956 --> 01:12:16,291
I always thought
that we worked better for Tommy.
1030
01:12:16,361 --> 01:12:19,490
I think he always saw
what we should do and I saw it clearly.
1031
01:12:19,599 --> 01:12:23,297
I think the band was more centered.
Joey had issues with him.
1032
01:12:23,403 --> 01:12:27,864
He started to get upset with a lot of people
after a while, like with Tommy.
1033
01:12:27,976 --> 01:12:33,041
Afterwards, with many friends from Forest Hills
who we grew up with,
1034
01:12:33,984 --> 01:12:37,421
and he didn't want to be reminded of the past,
of bad days
1035
01:12:37,488 --> 01:12:42,518
when he was a nobody.
1036
01:12:42,595 --> 01:12:44,893
He needed to forget about it,
1037
01:12:44,964 --> 01:12:50,632
I needed to erase all of this to be
that character Joey Ramone,
1038
01:12:50,705 --> 01:12:53,266
to have strength and confidence.
1039
01:12:53,376 --> 01:12:57,473
A struggle of forces was building
between you and Joey?
1040
01:12:58,682 --> 01:13:01,083
I suppose so.
1041
01:13:02,388 --> 01:13:06,758
There was already a struggle of forces in the band
When did Tommy leave?
1042
01:13:08,962 --> 01:13:11,193
- Answer, go there.
- I think so.
1043
01:13:11,265 --> 01:13:15,100
- What does struggle of forces mean?
- Just answer.
1044
01:13:15,170 --> 01:13:19,939
I'm not sure what was going on,
It's easier to look from the outside.
1045
01:13:20,911 --> 01:13:24,609
- When Tommy left.
- You were in power to a certain extent.
1046
01:13:24,683 --> 01:13:26,845
Voice of Linda, Johnny's wife
1047
01:13:26,953 --> 01:13:29,821
Did I take over when Tommy left?
1048
01:13:29,890 --> 01:13:32,415
Was there a power struggle between me and Joey?
1049
01:13:32,526 --> 01:13:34,495
Later.
1050
01:13:38,067 --> 01:13:43,564
But I don't think he wanted to be in power,
I think I wanted to be treated as an equal.
1051
01:13:43,641 --> 01:13:45,336
It's fine.
1052
01:13:47,112 --> 01:13:49,580
But did you notice, at that moment,
1053
01:13:49,648 --> 01:13:55,145
that Joey was starting to feel
Who could have a life outside of the Ramones?
1054
01:13:55,222 --> 01:13:57,657
Yes. And why shouldn't he have?
1055
01:13:59,127 --> 01:14:03,463
This is normal. Everyone needs
of an escape fantasy.
1056
01:14:03,567 --> 01:14:09,507
But we were all workers,
1057
01:14:09,574 --> 01:14:13,672
I didn't see Joey working
more than me, John or Mark,
1058
01:14:13,747 --> 01:14:17,741
that you could find that the rest
of the group were, you know...
1059
01:14:22,824 --> 01:14:26,625
There were other things going on,
but I can't talk about that.
1060
01:14:26,696 --> 01:14:32,193
Marky and Dee Dee said
that something happened to a girl.
1061
01:14:32,304 --> 01:14:34,239
- Right.
- Is it true?
1062
01:14:34,307 --> 01:14:37,299
Well, something happened, yes.
You know.
1063
01:14:37,410 --> 01:14:39,379
Want to talk about it?
1064
01:14:42,617 --> 01:14:45,519
Well, yes, I... What do you want me to say?
1065
01:14:46,555 --> 01:14:49,753
Joey was with a girl
and John stole it from him.
1066
01:14:51,762 --> 01:14:56,132
It's life, things happen
and we move on.
1067
01:14:56,201 --> 01:14:59,194
You don't hold resentment
by a person in your band
1068
01:14:59,272 --> 01:15:04,472
for 18 years, 17 years.
1069
01:15:04,578 --> 01:15:06,547
There are many girls in the world.
1070
01:15:06,614 --> 01:15:11,883
Joey was very romantic,
give all the love songs.
1071
01:15:11,955 --> 01:15:14,982
I think he really idealized love,
1072
01:15:15,093 --> 01:15:18,996
I wanted to join this girl
1073
01:15:19,064 --> 01:15:21,225
and live happily ever after.
1074
01:15:45,599 --> 01:15:48,227
It was the first serious relationship
that he had,
1075
01:15:48,301 --> 01:15:51,931
and suddenly,
she leaves with her guitarist.
1076
01:15:52,006 --> 01:15:54,601
He composed,
and composed many good songs,
1077
01:15:54,676 --> 01:15:57,202
"She's A Sensation", all of them.
1078
01:15:57,280 --> 01:15:59,715
Many were written about Linda,
1079
01:15:59,784 --> 01:16:02,480
and he was really in love with her.
1080
01:16:02,587 --> 01:16:07,992
He liked the fact that she had
a stunning air.
1081
01:16:08,027 --> 01:16:11,020
This made him look more like a rock star.
1082
01:16:11,098 --> 01:16:14,830
Unfortunately,
they never resolved this matter.
1083
01:16:14,936 --> 01:16:19,966
I can't see this as intentional,
because they were still together;
1084
01:16:20,076 --> 01:16:22,544
So there had to be more things
1085
01:16:22,646 --> 01:16:27,017
than the typical thing
what happens with bands,
1086
01:16:27,085 --> 01:16:31,386
in which partners become jealous
the vocalist receives more attention,
1087
01:16:31,458 --> 01:16:34,485
and then they're going to steal his girlfriend. It wasn't that.
1088
01:16:34,562 --> 01:16:40,025
Obviously nature took its course
and Linda and John fell in love with each other,
1089
01:16:40,102 --> 01:16:44,472
but that was, I think,
probably the biggest break
1090
01:16:44,541 --> 01:16:46,874
that they both had.
1091
01:16:46,978 --> 01:16:50,471
And they never talked about it, seriously.
1092
01:16:50,583 --> 01:16:54,577
He had so much inspiration,
artistically, through this woman,
1093
01:16:54,688 --> 01:16:56,986
and then that was it.
1094
01:16:58,092 --> 01:17:03,121
Then everything came crashing down on him
and he lost his girlfriend.
1095
01:17:04,033 --> 01:17:08,528
And probably your dream, your ambition.
1096
01:17:09,573 --> 01:17:14,239
The fact that John never spoke
with Joey about it, nor Linda,
1097
01:17:14,313 --> 01:17:18,944
gave him the feeling that they didn't
they cared about what he was feeling.
1098
01:17:19,052 --> 01:17:21,351
I think that was really
which hurt him the most.
1099
01:17:21,456 --> 01:17:26,417
I don't remember any direct confrontation,
but the anger was there.
1100
01:17:26,529 --> 01:17:30,227
This was strange:
They were together, but they hated each other.
1101
01:17:30,300 --> 01:17:34,898
Linda was a great memory
that he was weird,
1102
01:17:34,973 --> 01:17:38,239
that I couldn't have his great love,
1103
01:17:38,311 --> 01:17:41,873
and she was going to marry Johnny,
your worst nightmare.
1104
01:17:41,949 --> 01:17:45,909
Creatively, I think it helped him,
because he wrote some songs about it.
1105
01:17:45,987 --> 01:17:50,322
I think that's why Joey wrote
the song "The KKK Took My Baby Away".
1106
01:17:50,393 --> 01:17:52,692
Draw your own conclusions.
1107
01:17:53,597 --> 01:17:55,566
Listen to the music carefully.
1108
01:17:56,000 --> 01:17:59,300
SHE WENT ON HOLIDAY
1109
01:17:59,371 --> 01:18:02,000
SAID HE WAS GOING TO L.A.
1110
01:18:02,108 --> 01:18:05,476
SHE NEVER GOT THERE
SHE NEVER GOT THERE
1111
01:18:05,513 --> 01:18:06,946
SHE NEVER GOT THERE
1112
01:18:07,014 --> 01:18:11,850
THEY SAY THE KKK TOOK MY GIRL
1113
01:18:11,920 --> 01:18:14,947
THEY TOOK HER,
THEY TOOK HER FROM ME
1114
01:18:15,024 --> 01:18:18,256
THE KKK TOOK MY GIRL
1115
01:18:18,329 --> 01:18:21,857
THEY TOOK HER,
THEY TOOK HER FROM ME
1116
01:18:24,804 --> 01:18:29,903
In the tour van, there was always silence,
nobody said anything.
1117
01:18:30,011 --> 01:18:33,209
I would tell a joke, and everyone would laugh.
1118
01:18:33,282 --> 01:18:37,913
Because I couldn't stand it,
so I had to liven up the situation,
1119
01:18:37,988 --> 01:18:39,957
create a good-humored environment.
1120
01:18:40,024 --> 01:18:44,086
One day I threw a fish head
from a hotel window
1121
01:18:44,162 --> 01:18:47,394
in the pool, people swimming,
that was funny.
1122
01:18:47,467 --> 01:18:49,629
He was always so much fun.
1123
01:18:49,703 --> 01:18:53,936
But it had its problems.
He drank a lot at that time,
1124
01:18:54,009 --> 01:18:57,878
and the only time they missed
I went to a show because of him.
1125
01:18:57,947 --> 01:19:01,941
I always talked to John and Dee Dee,
but no one called me.
1126
01:19:02,052 --> 01:19:04,886
But I ended up getting the call.
1127
01:19:04,956 --> 01:19:07,619
Johnny Ramone had had enough,
1128
01:19:07,693 --> 01:19:10,822
said, "Mark, you messed up,"
and kicked me out of the band.
1129
01:19:10,897 --> 01:19:15,062
I tried to recover the band
with "Too Tough To Die"
1130
01:19:15,136 --> 01:19:18,573
and take her back to her sound.
1131
01:19:32,692 --> 01:19:35,924
I got a call from Dee Dee,
from everyone.
1132
01:19:36,029 --> 01:19:40,468
They said:
"Would you like to work with us?"
1133
01:19:41,704 --> 01:19:43,832
I said, "Sure."
1134
01:19:43,907 --> 01:19:46,068
They had changed a lot,
1135
01:19:46,142 --> 01:19:50,774
were already starting to have their own
spaces, which was something new for me.
1136
01:19:50,849 --> 01:19:52,817
They had a new drummer.
1137
01:19:55,388 --> 01:19:58,790
I went in, played everything twice as fast.
1138
01:19:58,859 --> 01:20:03,194
It got to the point where a show
of one hour and 15 minutes lasted 56 minutes.
1139
01:20:03,264 --> 01:20:07,634
They said, "Wait, we're not playing
long enough." We were too fast.
1140
01:20:14,145 --> 01:20:16,910
We always bumped into them
further ahead.
1141
01:20:16,982 --> 01:20:22,149
I remember meeting Johnny Ramone and he
told me, "It's two minutes faster."
1142
01:20:22,223 --> 01:20:27,958
I said, "What?" Him: "Our show is
two minutes faster than in April."
1143
01:20:29,365 --> 01:20:31,698
I said, "Oh my God."
1144
01:20:38,009 --> 01:20:40,137
I learned this from the Ramones:
1145
01:20:40,246 --> 01:20:44,081
That blow. We finished this song.
Where's the next one?
1146
01:20:44,151 --> 01:20:47,849
"For there are people watching
and they have things to do.
1147
01:20:47,922 --> 01:20:51,859
"It's a busy world out there.
You have to give them that.”
1148
01:21:03,743 --> 01:21:06,577
The 80s were difficult.
We were the only band doing that.
1149
01:21:06,647 --> 01:21:10,209
You continued to do this because...
1150
01:21:10,285 --> 01:21:12,652
I didn't know how to do anything else.
1151
01:21:12,755 --> 01:21:15,383
But we knew that, in the 80s,
there was no chance.
1152
01:21:19,730 --> 01:21:22,700
MTV did not have video archives
at the beginning.
1153
01:21:22,768 --> 01:21:25,134
They were grateful for anything.
1154
01:21:25,204 --> 01:21:27,935
So if you gave them a video
of the Ramones, they would show it off.
1155
01:21:28,007 --> 01:21:31,444
As soon as they became more businesslike,
the Ramones were kicked out.
1156
01:21:31,512 --> 01:21:33,811
I think MTV destroyed music.
1157
01:21:33,882 --> 01:21:37,751
They started seeing each other
a bit like gods.
1158
01:21:37,820 --> 01:21:41,882
If you didn't have a half video
million dollars, it would not be shown.
1159
01:21:41,959 --> 01:21:46,294
We were on our own.
Yes, a difficult period.
1160
01:21:46,398 --> 01:21:49,390
They still continued to go watch the show.
1161
01:21:49,501 --> 01:21:53,166
It's great to be here
in New Hampshire tonight,
1162
01:21:53,241 --> 01:21:56,939
playing for frantic people like you.
1163
01:21:57,012 --> 01:21:59,412
We would like to dedicate this song to Kev.
1164
01:22:09,227 --> 01:22:11,958
The next day, Richie leaves the band...
1165
01:22:12,031 --> 01:22:16,628
No... I never knew why,
he simply left the band.
1166
01:22:16,703 --> 01:22:18,331
See what the Ramones were.
1167
01:22:18,406 --> 01:22:21,171
I was Richie Ramone
when you wanted me to go,
1168
01:22:21,277 --> 01:22:24,247
but he was just an employee
when you wanted me to go.
1169
01:22:24,314 --> 01:22:27,112
Selling the t-shirts made a lot of money.
1170
01:22:27,183 --> 01:22:29,812
When the money for the t-shirts came,
I wasn't a Ramone.
1171
01:22:29,887 --> 01:22:33,722
This is after five years.
I thought they owed me.
1172
01:22:33,792 --> 01:22:38,754
I thought I should get some
With the money for t-shirts, what's the problem?
1173
01:22:38,832 --> 01:22:41,825
We would like to introduce you
our newest member:
1174
01:22:41,903 --> 01:22:44,098
Marky Ramone, yes.
1175
01:22:45,841 --> 01:22:47,810
It's up to you, Dieter.
1176
01:23:06,768 --> 01:23:11,229
An important thing about the Ramones
was that they were troubadours.
1177
01:23:11,307 --> 01:23:14,870
They were constantly fighting,
traveling the world.
1178
01:23:14,946 --> 01:23:17,813
We take them for granted
because they were always there,
1179
01:23:17,882 --> 01:23:20,716
they were always great,
they were always the same.
1180
01:23:20,786 --> 01:23:23,085
It didn't matter how much time passed,
1181
01:23:23,156 --> 01:23:29,063
It looked like they were trapped in some
bubble of time in which they would not change.
1182
01:23:29,131 --> 01:23:31,099
Fads came and went,
1183
01:23:31,166 --> 01:23:35,126
and you would go see the Ramones and think:
"What year is it?"
1184
01:23:39,211 --> 01:23:42,978
There we were, some children,
and their records came to us
1185
01:23:43,049 --> 01:23:45,449
in a place where we didn't fit in.
1186
01:23:45,519 --> 01:23:47,680
Everyone, when they listen to the Ramones,
1187
01:23:47,755 --> 01:23:51,317
think:
"Wow. Finally a band for us."
1188
01:23:51,393 --> 01:23:55,764
If I had only admired virtuosos
as a child,
1189
01:23:55,832 --> 01:23:57,959
I would never have started.
1190
01:23:58,035 --> 01:24:00,766
I discovered the Ramones,
and it clicked in my head:
1191
01:24:00,872 --> 01:24:03,706
That song was something I could do.
1192
01:24:03,776 --> 01:24:06,245
There were no parameters after the Ramones.
1193
01:24:06,346 --> 01:24:08,814
Everything I needed to do
was to be yourself,
1194
01:24:08,882 --> 01:24:13,321
and that gave me a lot of self-esteem
when I needed it, and self-confidence.
1195
01:24:18,194 --> 01:24:21,096
So I came back, I was sober,
and things were fine,
1196
01:24:21,165 --> 01:24:24,465
except the tension between Johnny and Joey,
that was still there.
1197
01:24:24,536 --> 01:24:28,473
I thought, "Jesus Christ, how long
Are you going to stick with this shit?"
1198
01:24:28,541 --> 01:24:31,010
But Joey kept that,
I didn't let that go.
1199
01:24:31,078 --> 01:24:33,069
Joey never forgot that.
1200
01:24:33,147 --> 01:24:37,983
Joey could take a grudge
like an elephant never forgets.
1201
01:24:42,092 --> 01:24:45,790
Dee Dee, when I finally left,
I also wanted to leave,
1202
01:24:45,863 --> 01:24:49,129
and I think he got it
stay another year, something like that,
1203
01:24:49,201 --> 01:24:53,697
and perform as a DJ or rapper.
1204
01:24:53,774 --> 01:24:58,974
Dee Dee became a rapper for a while,
one of the first white rappers,
1205
01:24:59,047 --> 01:25:03,007
and started dressing in rapper clothes
before putting on the Ramones clothes.
1206
01:25:15,135 --> 01:25:16,932
We went to Washington,
1207
01:25:17,003 --> 01:25:22,671
and he was on the plane, using
a hoodie and a big gold chain.
1208
01:25:22,744 --> 01:25:24,303
He looked like a rapper.
1209
01:25:24,380 --> 01:25:28,249
We looked at him and said, "What...?"
John was furious.
1210
01:25:39,666 --> 01:25:41,828
It was grotesque.
1211
01:25:41,936 --> 01:25:46,431
He started talking like a rapper,
like a black man.
1212
01:25:47,576 --> 01:25:52,481
When Schoolly D released that record,
If you asked, "What time is it?",
1213
01:25:52,550 --> 01:25:54,883
"It's Gucci time."
1214
01:25:54,953 --> 01:25:58,321
I understood that.
It's overcoming oppression, you know,
1215
01:25:58,391 --> 01:26:02,226
a black person can buy a Gucci watch.
Great. I'm also black.
1216
01:26:02,329 --> 01:26:05,959
I felt the same excitement
when I was able to buy a Gucci watch,
1217
01:26:06,000 --> 01:26:10,529
and I spent a lot of money, like an outlaw.
1218
01:26:10,606 --> 01:26:16,171
I don't think it was worth fighting,
the album wasn't really good.
1219
01:26:16,280 --> 01:26:21,048
I didn't know how to rap, I was trying.
I don't know how, I'm not good at it.
1220
01:26:21,119 --> 01:26:24,385
I'm not black or anything,
I don't know what it is.
1221
01:26:24,457 --> 01:26:26,289
I wanted to do it.
1222
01:26:26,360 --> 01:26:29,888
Dee Dee Ramone says she left the group
embryonic punk New Yorker.
1223
01:26:29,965 --> 01:26:31,592
In an interview with MTV,
1224
01:26:31,666 --> 01:26:35,467
Dee Dee told us that constant touring
of the Ramones put their health at risk
1225
01:26:35,538 --> 01:26:37,507
and the desire to stop
with drugs and alcohol.
1226
01:26:37,574 --> 01:26:40,738
I also said I was
shaken by his recent divorce
1227
01:26:40,812 --> 01:26:45,079
and that he was excited about dedicating time
integral to his rap band, Strength.
1228
01:26:45,150 --> 01:26:48,643
A spokesperson for the Ramones
I hoped Dee Dee would change her mind,
1229
01:26:48,755 --> 01:26:51,554
since he had said
which was going to come out several times before.
1230
01:26:51,626 --> 01:26:54,960
I was sick,
I was buulmic and anorexic.
1231
01:26:55,998 --> 01:26:59,059
No one would say,
1232
01:26:59,135 --> 01:27:03,301
because I was taking so many antidepressants,
who was swollen because of them.
1233
01:27:04,175 --> 01:27:05,904
And I was dying.
1234
01:27:05,977 --> 01:27:08,378
Mussolini slept here for two nights.
1235
01:27:12,185 --> 01:27:14,711
I want to go home.
1236
01:27:14,789 --> 01:27:17,588
I had to do it.
It was too much suffering.
1237
01:27:17,660 --> 01:27:19,787
Joey was drinking too much.
1238
01:27:19,862 --> 01:27:22,423
Finally I said, "I have to get better."
1239
01:27:22,532 --> 01:27:25,001
I feel a little hurt by this
1240
01:27:25,102 --> 01:27:29,335
Because me and Dee Dee always argue...
1241
01:27:30,376 --> 01:27:33,778
"Let's do this until we both decide
that we don't want anymore."
1242
01:27:33,847 --> 01:27:35,940
Dee Dee was the main songwriter.
1243
01:27:36,016 --> 01:27:41,012
When he left, I felt like I was
Paul McCartney leaving the Beatles.
1244
01:27:42,458 --> 01:27:45,792
How to replace a guy
like Dee Dee Ramone?
1245
01:27:45,862 --> 01:27:50,425
You can physically
put someone in his place,
1246
01:27:50,501 --> 01:27:52,868
but it won't have the same
1247
01:27:52,938 --> 01:27:57,035
aura, image and composition quality
that he had with Dee Dee Ramone.
1248
01:28:14,165 --> 01:28:16,600
So I started thinking positive.
1249
01:28:16,669 --> 01:28:18,638
Everyone around me telling me:
1250
01:28:18,705 --> 01:28:22,699
"You have to separate,
They can't play without Dee Dee."
1251
01:28:22,777 --> 01:28:25,804
"What do you mean?
I'm looking for someone else, that's all.
1252
01:28:25,881 --> 01:28:29,079
"Separate? Are you crazy?
Separate because Dee Dee left?
1253
01:28:29,185 --> 01:28:32,178
"I'll just accept defeat
and lose?"
1254
01:28:32,289 --> 01:28:36,989
At that moment I was determined
Proving everyone wrong.
1255
01:28:37,062 --> 01:28:41,694
It was like, "Okay, let's find
a young Dee Dee, a clone of Dee Dee."
1256
01:28:43,103 --> 01:28:45,800
And that one over there is Johnny Ramone.
1257
01:28:47,909 --> 01:28:50,105
And that's Joey.
1258
01:28:50,780 --> 01:28:53,682
- And this is C.J., our new bass player.
- I achieved.
1259
01:28:53,750 --> 01:28:57,243
It's an exciting time
with C.J. In the band
1260
01:28:57,321 --> 01:29:00,519
and Dee Dee leaving... having left the band.
1261
01:29:00,626 --> 01:29:06,066
In fact, I think he made us
a great favor upon leaving the band.
1262
01:29:06,133 --> 01:29:10,537
C.J. It was great, it was like a breath of fresh air
when he joined the group.
1263
01:29:10,605 --> 01:29:12,870
It's up to you, C.J.
1264
01:29:32,233 --> 01:29:35,260
At first, I kept silent and just watched,
1265
01:29:35,370 --> 01:29:37,839
because, if I was going to survive in the band,
1266
01:29:37,941 --> 01:29:41,935
I had to understand the dynamics
relationship between guys
1267
01:29:42,046 --> 01:29:46,177
and there had to be some kind
relationship with each of them.
1268
01:29:46,251 --> 01:29:49,882
It was very strange,
because Johnny is ultra conservative
1269
01:29:49,957 --> 01:29:51,447
and Joey is ultra liberal.
1270
01:29:51,525 --> 01:29:54,222
Politically, we were on opposite sides.
1271
01:29:54,295 --> 01:29:57,094
- Have you always been right-wing?
- I? Yes.
1272
01:29:57,166 --> 01:29:59,225
Probably since I was 10 years old.
1273
01:29:59,301 --> 01:30:01,429
I was a supporter of Nixon in 1960.
1274
01:30:01,505 --> 01:30:06,205
Joey ended up becoming
a left-wing New York Jew...
1275
01:30:07,412 --> 01:30:09,380
left-wing Jew.
1276
01:30:09,448 --> 01:30:13,648
He was present in all campaigns
like Save the Starving Namibians,
1277
01:30:13,721 --> 01:30:15,848
Rwandans, Burundians, whatever.
1278
01:30:15,923 --> 01:30:18,586
We are here in support of Jerry Brown.
1279
01:30:18,660 --> 01:30:21,687
It addresses the topics,
understands the problems
1280
01:30:21,764 --> 01:30:26,600
and is brave and firm enough
to challenge, not only the Bush administration,
1281
01:30:26,670 --> 01:30:29,231
but the entire North American political structure.
1282
01:30:29,307 --> 01:30:33,074
These guys were the opposite of each other,
a marriage of complete opposites.
1283
01:30:33,145 --> 01:30:37,413
But they had one thing in common.
They knew it was the Ramones.
1284
01:30:37,485 --> 01:30:39,783
What it was? Why didn't you vote last year?
1285
01:30:39,854 --> 01:30:44,850
If you don't think you can sign up, let us know.
worried politicians, forget it.
1286
01:30:44,961 --> 01:30:49,626
Many of them don't want you to vote. � by
This is what makes "registration" so difficult.
1287
01:30:49,700 --> 01:30:50,998
What make it difficult?
1288
01:30:51,069 --> 01:30:53,367
Washington, what are you afraid of?
1289
01:30:53,438 --> 01:30:55,339
DEFEND THE VOTE
1290
01:30:55,408 --> 01:30:57,137
I really liked Joey
1291
01:30:57,209 --> 01:31:00,304
and respected him a lot,
1292
01:31:00,414 --> 01:31:03,782
but Johnny was always kind
as a father figure to me,
1293
01:31:03,818 --> 01:31:06,720
and it was difficult to have a friendship with him.
1294
01:31:06,789 --> 01:31:10,453
Joey and I started developing
a good relationship,
1295
01:31:10,527 --> 01:31:14,191
we started to be friends,
1296
01:31:14,298 --> 01:31:17,928
and I think that was when Johnny really
didn't like me very much
1297
01:31:18,036 --> 01:31:19,698
for a while there.
1298
01:31:19,806 --> 01:31:22,605
It's not that he didn't like it
of me or whatever,
1299
01:31:22,676 --> 01:31:25,908
maybe he was frustrated
for not being able to understand me.
1300
01:31:27,449 --> 01:31:31,945
In fact, once, Joey was sick,
and we were doing one show after another.
1301
01:31:32,022 --> 01:31:35,186
It was winter and we were in the van.
1302
01:31:35,259 --> 01:31:38,285
I told Joey:
"Why don't you say something?
1303
01:31:38,363 --> 01:31:41,128
"Why don't you just say
Who can't do this?
1304
01:31:41,200 --> 01:31:45,434
"Do you know what I mean?
This tour's schedule is absurd, man."
1305
01:31:47,074 --> 01:31:50,272
The next morning, Johnny was saying:
1306
01:31:50,379 --> 01:31:55,443
"Who do you think you are? Keep your mouth
closed and do what you are told to do."
1307
01:31:56,153 --> 01:31:59,021
You know when you get so mad
that your tears begin to flow?
1308
01:31:59,090 --> 01:32:00,990
That's how I was.
1309
01:32:05,131 --> 01:32:07,123
Thanks.
1310
01:32:11,105 --> 01:32:16,101
I honestly think, to tell the truth,
which was how Johnny knew how to do that.
1311
01:32:16,179 --> 01:32:19,672
You go ahead, go ahead
and doesn't give a break.
1312
01:32:19,784 --> 01:32:22,344
You just go, go, go, go, go.
1313
01:32:23,321 --> 01:32:26,291
Maybe it was just that
that Johnny knew how to do.
1314
01:32:26,359 --> 01:32:27,951
Johnny was the glue.
1315
01:32:28,061 --> 01:32:31,862
He took care of the financial side of the band
on the road. He was tough.
1316
01:32:31,932 --> 01:32:35,130
Joey respected Johnny
for his business acumen.
1317
01:32:35,203 --> 01:32:37,263
And Joey had money.
1318
01:32:37,339 --> 01:32:41,367
Any time in these 20 years
If Joey wanted to leave, he could.
1319
01:32:41,445 --> 01:32:43,539
But he didn't leave.
1320
01:32:43,614 --> 01:32:48,279
He needed the drug,
of the drug that is being one of the Ramones.
1321
01:32:59,568 --> 01:33:03,596
When you go on stage,
It's another world,
1322
01:33:03,707 --> 01:33:07,235
and nothing else matters,
there is a whole other euphoria.
1323
01:33:07,278 --> 01:33:09,246
That's why they stayed together.
1324
01:33:09,314 --> 01:33:13,251
The Ramones really are...
It is pure and sincere energy,
1325
01:33:13,319 --> 01:33:15,845
and it is passed from generation to generation.
1326
01:33:15,922 --> 01:33:20,326
The type of fans we have
are not just one type of person,
1327
01:33:20,394 --> 01:33:24,457
they are the metal and alternative kids
and people of all ages.
1328
01:33:24,534 --> 01:33:28,335
In South America,
They were like the Beatles, it was incredible.
1329
01:33:28,439 --> 01:33:32,877
Plus, we're hosting the Ramones.
1330
01:33:35,982 --> 01:33:38,543
It was crazy. Returning to the airport,
1331
01:33:38,619 --> 01:33:41,418
the boys followed us in motorcades,
1332
01:33:41,489 --> 01:33:44,049
hanging out of windows, things like that.
1333
01:33:45,027 --> 01:33:47,427
They're breaking the fucking glass.
1334
01:33:49,800 --> 01:33:52,269
Hurry, hurry, hurry, come on, come on, come on.
1335
01:33:57,476 --> 01:33:59,968
What the fuck?
1336
01:34:00,046 --> 01:34:02,106
- Damn.
- Jesus Christ.
1337
01:34:02,216 --> 01:34:04,377
Something shit always happens.
1338
01:34:04,485 --> 01:34:06,454
Things were bad there.
1339
01:34:06,521 --> 01:34:11,482
Brazil is a country where there are a million
of abandoned children in Rio,
1340
01:34:11,561 --> 01:34:15,659
they sniff glue and steal from stores;
1341
01:34:15,733 --> 01:34:19,135
So, traders hire
death squads to kill children.
1342
01:34:20,873 --> 01:34:22,466
This is heavy.
1343
01:34:22,542 --> 01:34:28,209
And guys like the Ramones help
these guys to express themselves a little,
1344
01:34:28,282 --> 01:34:31,684
a little catharsis of your situation,
1345
01:34:31,753 --> 01:34:34,245
that's how bad she is.
1346
01:34:35,626 --> 01:34:40,462
� like London in 76.
The children didn't see a future.
1347
01:34:41,266 --> 01:34:46,399
And again, it's the rawness of the message
these kids get.
1348
01:34:48,442 --> 01:34:52,642
Play at the football stadium
for 30,000 people.
1349
01:35:03,528 --> 01:35:08,159
Great. You could see what they could
have become in other places.
1350
01:35:08,268 --> 01:35:12,330
Return to the United States
and having to play in these clubs.
1351
01:35:12,439 --> 01:35:14,908
It was very depressing.
1352
01:35:19,749 --> 01:35:25,189
I think it's a little tougher
for a band that was the catalyst
1353
01:35:25,256 --> 01:35:30,286
and it always seems like they are the pioneers
who do not receive full glory.
1354
01:35:30,363 --> 01:35:34,801
It's the bands that come later
because they play a little different
1355
01:35:34,869 --> 01:35:40,103
or accommodate the sound
and so they open the way,
1356
01:35:40,208 --> 01:35:44,806
or they have a little more commercial activity,
that kind of thing.
1357
01:35:49,421 --> 01:35:52,983
When alternative music started
bursting, it was our chance to stop,
1358
01:35:53,059 --> 01:35:55,551
but we were right there at the entrance.
1359
01:35:55,629 --> 01:35:59,031
Furthermore, there was everyone from Nirvana
to Soundgarden proclaiming:
1360
01:35:59,100 --> 01:36:02,935
"Yes, the Ramones, the Ramones." Rancid,
all bands that sold a lot.
1361
01:36:03,038 --> 01:36:05,906
we are compatible with these bands
and we couldn't beat it.
1362
01:36:05,942 --> 01:36:10,039
I think that was the point at which they thought:
"We're finished."
1363
01:36:10,114 --> 01:36:12,208
FM1063 at the Jersey Shore.
1364
01:36:12,651 --> 01:36:16,611
Everyone is asking this question,
Let's face it soon.
1365
01:36:16,723 --> 01:36:21,128
"Adios Amigos" is the title because you
are supposedly splitting up.
1366
01:36:21,196 --> 01:36:23,664
There is talk on the internet that it is not true.
1367
01:36:23,732 --> 01:36:28,398
No, we... This is probably
our last presentation in this area.
1368
01:36:30,240 --> 01:36:33,540
We made a deal,
We've been doing this for 21 years
1369
01:36:33,611 --> 01:36:35,944
and, you know, it's been great and all,
1370
01:36:36,015 --> 01:36:40,282
but it will be our last album,
a studio record,
1371
01:36:40,353 --> 01:36:42,345
and the band goes like...
1372
01:36:42,423 --> 01:36:47,987
We're calling it retirement
probably there for February.
1373
01:36:48,865 --> 01:36:53,200
LAST SHOW (No. 2262)
HOLLYWOOD, AUGUST 6, 1996
1374
01:37:02,315 --> 01:37:04,579
Thank you.
1375
01:37:05,085 --> 01:37:08,544
Very strange at the end of the last show.
1376
01:37:08,623 --> 01:37:12,994
I simply changed my clothes and left.
1377
01:37:14,364 --> 01:37:16,356
Did you say goodbye to someone?
1378
01:37:16,434 --> 01:37:21,236
Not that I remember.
Maybe he said, "See you later." I don't know.
1379
01:37:21,339 --> 01:37:25,401
August 1999
Behind the Scenes, Conan O'Brien Show
1380
01:37:25,511 --> 01:37:29,039
Joey took away everything that was wrong with him
and made it beautiful,
1381
01:37:29,149 --> 01:37:32,848
which I think is the biggest thing about Joey.
1382
01:37:32,922 --> 01:37:35,049
And the whole philosophy of punk,
1383
01:37:35,124 --> 01:37:39,392
You catch everything that's bad,
give it glory and make it a good thing.
1384
01:37:39,464 --> 01:37:45,461
But he was for thousands, hundreds
of billions of people,
1385
01:37:45,537 --> 01:37:47,096
a liberator.
1386
01:37:47,173 --> 01:37:50,405
He freed them
1387
01:37:50,478 --> 01:37:56,749
of your own feeling
of failure, of lack of acceptance.
1388
01:37:56,853 --> 01:37:58,821
Joey was a hero
1389
01:37:58,888 --> 01:38:02,689
because he overcame adversity,
1390
01:38:02,793 --> 01:38:05,490
triumphed over imbecility
1391
01:38:05,530 --> 01:38:09,023
and started an alien
1392
01:38:09,101 --> 01:38:11,662
in the world in which he was created.
1393
01:38:19,448 --> 01:38:22,816
Joey Ramone, Punk Influencer,
Dies at age 49
1394
01:38:22,886 --> 01:38:25,355
Joey was never a healthy person,
1395
01:38:25,422 --> 01:38:28,824
but it was one of the people
strongest I've ever known.
1396
01:38:28,927 --> 01:38:31,123
Joey loses his battle with cancer at 49
1397
01:38:31,230 --> 01:38:34,997
He could fight anything
and against everything all the time.
1398
01:38:35,068 --> 01:38:41,839
So, you know, one had the impression
that it would last forever.
1399
01:38:44,748 --> 01:38:49,584
He was completely convinced
that I was going to live.
1400
01:38:51,123 --> 01:38:53,284
I was completely convinced.
1401
01:38:54,627 --> 01:38:59,793
Four days before he died, he refused
being fed by tubes down the throat
1402
01:38:59,867 --> 01:39:03,964
because I didn't want to affect his vocal cords.
1403
01:39:05,942 --> 01:39:07,968
But at this time,
1404
01:39:08,078 --> 01:39:12,482
Of course I didn't want to accept that he
didn't like me, he wasn't my friend,
1405
01:39:12,550 --> 01:39:15,987
who didn't care or who thought
that I had something against him.
1406
01:39:16,055 --> 01:39:21,119
I blamed it on my mother, my brother
and Arturo, anyone but him.
1407
01:39:21,194 --> 01:39:27,431
So why couldn't I have had
one last conversation with this guy?
1408
01:39:27,502 --> 01:39:30,495
If you don't get along with someone, then go...
1409
01:39:30,573 --> 01:39:34,601
I shouldn't talk to her,
I don't know, I...
1410
01:39:35,947 --> 01:39:39,975
I'll be the way I want
for people to react to me.
1411
01:39:41,754 --> 01:39:46,955
If I didn't like someone, I wouldn't want them
to call if I were dying,
1412
01:39:47,028 --> 01:39:52,023
I wouldn't want you to regret it
If you don't talk to me, I'm happy with that.
1413
01:39:52,101 --> 01:39:55,435
If I'm finished, that's how it's going to be.
1414
01:39:56,974 --> 01:40:02,414
I assume, because of his appearance, that
he didn't want me to see him in that state.
1415
01:40:04,951 --> 01:40:10,448
Which is very painful for me,
because, you know, I wanted to talk to him.
1416
01:40:12,695 --> 01:40:17,133
Yes, no, I cared, I cared.
I couldn't help but care.
1417
01:40:17,234 --> 01:40:19,327
I cared.
1418
01:40:19,404 --> 01:40:22,305
I asked myself, "Why am I
worrying so much?" but I cared.
1419
01:40:22,373 --> 01:40:26,812
I kept asking myself that.
I've been depressed all week,
1420
01:40:26,880 --> 01:40:29,850
Why am I feeling this way?
I really didn't get along.
1421
01:40:29,917 --> 01:40:32,283
This bothered me.
1422
01:40:32,353 --> 01:40:36,222
Have you ever thought about why that was,
Why did this bother you?
1423
01:40:37,560 --> 01:40:40,257
Why? I'm not sure.
1424
01:40:40,364 --> 01:40:42,832
I don't know if it was... I don't know.
1425
01:40:43,668 --> 01:40:47,605
Why... I wonder
If it's an internal weakness, I don't know.
1426
01:40:47,673 --> 01:40:49,664
I don't know why.
1427
01:40:51,378 --> 01:40:54,542
He is a member of the Ramones,
I love the Ramones,
1428
01:40:54,615 --> 01:40:57,278
We're in this all together.
1429
01:40:57,353 --> 01:41:02,519
Even if we didn't get along, if
If someone did something to him, I would defend him.
1430
01:41:02,625 --> 01:41:06,858
If I saw someone throwing something at him,
I would want to catch this person.
1431
01:41:06,897 --> 01:41:10,494
I cared because I took that
as an insult to the Ramones.
1432
01:41:11,838 --> 01:41:15,605
So, in that way, we were in it together.
1433
01:41:18,780 --> 01:41:23,115
I would like to thank Seymour Stein
everything he did for the Ramones,
1434
01:41:23,185 --> 01:41:25,654
throughout our career.
1435
01:41:25,722 --> 01:41:27,816
Danny Fields, our first manager;
1436
01:41:27,892 --> 01:41:32,227
Gary Kurfirst,
who has managed us for the last 22 years;
1437
01:41:34,032 --> 01:41:37,434
and Ramones fans,
who made it all worth it.
1438
01:41:39,707 --> 01:41:43,667
God bless President Bush
and God bless the United States.
1439
01:41:45,882 --> 01:41:49,375
Hi everyone, I'm Marky Ramone.
I want to thank Johnny Ramone
1440
01:41:49,486 --> 01:41:51,853
have called me
to be part of the Ramones,
1441
01:41:51,923 --> 01:41:55,189
and especially Tommy Ramone,
1442
01:41:55,261 --> 01:41:58,425
that started with that style of drums
1443
01:41:58,498 --> 01:42:02,902
that I had to work hard
to be able to reproduce.
1444
01:42:03,004 --> 01:42:05,303
And thank you very much.
1445
01:42:09,379 --> 01:42:12,372
Hi, I'm Dee Dee Ramone and...
1446
01:42:13,784 --> 01:42:16,754
I would like to congratulate myself,
1447
01:42:16,822 --> 01:42:20,691
thank myself and give myself
a big pat on the back.
1448
01:42:21,761 --> 01:42:25,722
Thank you, Dee Dee, you are wonderful,
I adore you.
1449
01:42:25,834 --> 01:42:29,396
What would they have done without me?
1450
01:42:29,472 --> 01:42:31,702
What would I have done without them? Nothing.
1451
01:42:31,774 --> 01:42:33,743
Rock and Roll Hall of Fame - 2002
Cocktail
1452
01:42:33,810 --> 01:42:37,804
One million would probably be dead
of times. The Ramones saved me.
1453
01:42:43,223 --> 01:42:48,662
I don't know why I'm so bitter.
The whole thing is...
1454
01:42:48,729 --> 01:42:54,067
Well, I guess it's like a horrible life,
1455
01:42:54,136 --> 01:42:56,128
somehow.
1456
01:42:56,240 --> 01:42:59,608
It's not easy being in a rock'n'roll band.
1457
01:42:59,677 --> 01:43:02,475
- Stop by, okay?
- Yes I will.
1458
01:43:02,580 --> 01:43:05,709
I'll come back and... Send the new dates.
1459
01:43:05,751 --> 01:43:08,050
It's fine. I'm rehearsing for Brazil.
1460
01:43:09,322 --> 01:43:11,416
It's fine.
1461
01:43:11,492 --> 01:43:13,552
Oh, God, poor Dee Dee.
1462
01:43:18,234 --> 01:43:28,306
Two months later
Dee Dee died of a heroin overdose.
1463
01:43:34,522 --> 01:43:40,622
END OF THE CENTURY
1464
01:43:57,953 --> 01:44:01,446
The CB combination
and the Ramones was magic;
1465
01:44:01,557 --> 01:44:05,722
so it's appropriate that Joey,
the band's lead singer,
1466
01:44:05,829 --> 01:44:07,991
gives this corner its name.
1467
01:44:08,099 --> 01:44:11,001
Four, three, two, one...
1468
01:44:23,018 --> 01:44:25,112
Look, I bought this.
1469
01:44:27,724 --> 01:44:29,886
It's cool, I'm glad I bought it.
1470
01:44:36,435 --> 01:44:39,803
- Do you like the album "Mondo Bizarro"?
- I don't think so.
1471
01:44:39,873 --> 01:44:42,104
Let me take a look.
1472
01:44:42,176 --> 01:44:45,476
Okay...
1473
01:44:49,753 --> 01:44:52,621
Okay, "Mondo Bizarro",
No, I really don't like it.
1474
01:45:01,734 --> 01:45:04,966
We have to cross the street, so...
1475
01:45:08,576 --> 01:45:10,169
Careful, Tommy.
1476
01:45:10,413 --> 01:45:12,348
It was a great take.
1477
01:45:16,387 --> 01:45:20,347
"Chicken Beat Boy"
It was something I invented, I think.
1478
01:45:21,960 --> 01:45:25,488
I jumped over the tables and chairs,
bend your back,
1479
01:45:25,565 --> 01:45:29,765
I waved my arms and started
Clucking like a chicken.
1480
01:45:30,572 --> 01:45:32,199
And that was very funny.
1481
01:45:32,274 --> 01:45:37,509
But I think that, depending on the presence
of alcohol and its effects,
1482
01:45:37,581 --> 01:45:39,743
had a lot to do with "Chicken Beat Boy".
1483
01:45:42,722 --> 01:45:46,089
Hey, I'm here. In the urinal.
1484
01:45:51,199 --> 01:45:52,723
Goodbye.